David Carradine found dead

[eternal light]

Reports said surveilance cameras showed no one going in or out of David's room. I think it will be officially ruled an accident under weird circumstances. I think his family would rather believe he was murdered then die under embarassing circumstances. because if it turns out to be accurate people will always remember how the dude died and not in a good way. And besides no one murders someone the way he was found.

I would not rule out the possibility of first degree murder.

This could have been a very clever homicide, committed in such a way as to cast doubt on the victim rather than the perpetrator.

Thailand law enforcement is known to be corrupt, so you first must rule out corruption as a factor in this case.

I would think that this case will take some time to solve conclusively.

[spats]

Why don't you back off man. What do you know about it? You're fucking with people's feelings on a personal level. You're entitled to your opinion, but we don't need the rolleyes.

Someone died you insensitive asshole. A family mourns today and you're mocking their loss? Fuck you.

Back off from what? You are the one that responded to me. I am allowed my opinion just like you.

The eye rolling is my personal opinion on conspiracy theories. The thread does not need conspiracy theories.

It was reported today again that cameras showed no one going in or out of the room. let's deal with facts.

I am not mocking anyone's feelings. I doubt Mr.Carradines family are seeing any comment I make. I am not being insensitive to them.

[spats]

I would not rule out the possibility of first degree murder.

This could have been a very clever homicide, committed in such a way as to cast doubt on the victim rather than the perpetrator.

Thailand law enforcement is known to be corrupt, so you first must rule out corruption as a factor in this case.

I would think that this case will take some time to solve conclusively.

I don't agree but time will tell.

[eternal light]

I have lived in Thailand on and off for the past 20-years and have seen the level of corruption and evil that exists in the Thai police force.

Some years ago, a friend went to the local police station to report that his Thai girlfriend has absconded with expensive jewelry, gold, cash, etc. While walking home afterwards (several hundred meters for the station), my friend was stopped by a man on a motorcycle offering to kill the girlfriend for a specified amount of money. The only people aware of the incident were the police.

I cannot walk into the local police station without being approached by a policeman offering his "services". The police view any encounter with a foreigner (complaint, accident, etc) as an opportunity to extort money.

hobotraveler.com/co5thailandcorruption

[zeplinger]

this reminds me of the Albert Dekker case, an actor in the '40s and '50s. He was found tied up, gag in his mouth, with sexually explicit writings on his body in lipstick. For decades they thought he accidently died and was involved with a homosexual lover...Theory later was that he was killed by a jealous girlfriend.

[Bong-Man]

this reminds me of the Albert Dekker case, an actor in the '40s and '50s. He was found tied up, gag in his mouth, with sexually explicit writings on his body in lipstick. For decades they thought he accidently died and was involved with a homosexual lover...Theory later was that he was killed by a jealous girlfriend.

Bob Crane from Hogan's Heroes was another murder with a possible sexual angle.

A man in his 70's still getting off on that type of self-stimulation seems a little odd, but that can be explained with viagra. Believe it or not, most older men do use it strictly to continue self-gratification. (Just trying to start your week with yet another pleasant thought. )

[Aquamarine]

You couldn't pay me to go to one of those country's. You leave the good old USA and you are no longer safe and you have no power. You cant carry a weapon to defend yourself. Fuck that. I would never go there. Or Mexico either.

Unbelieveable.

[Evster2012]

I doubt Mr.Carradines family are seeing any comment I make. I am not being insensitive to them.

I know the family. His sister-in-law is my ex. What you are saying is what many people not in possession of all the facts are saying. They are seeing it, and it is deeply hurtful to them. There are things you don't know about Dave that I am not at liberty to say publicly. It's not a conspiracy theory. So pretty please, with sugar on top, leave it.

[Evster2012]

What is unbelievable? You are putting your life at risk when you go to those countries. You are in the hands of a corrupt judicial system. Go there if you want to. Not me.

Personally, I have friends who go to (and live in) "those countries" frequently. They don't share your fears either. Me, I live in Las Vegas. You know how many ways there are to die in Las Vegas?

[Aquamarine]

What is unbelievable? You are putting your life at risk when you go to those countries. You are in the hands of a corrupt judicial system. Go there if you want to. Not me.

You said that you put your life at risk by leaving the USA. Which is totally ridiculous. You didn't discriminate between Thailand, England, or Argentina. Just "not USA." (And people miraculously manage to visit Thailand all the time and escape unscathed. I know many of them. Ditto England and Argentina.)

You can put your life at risk pretty much anywhere IN the USA, and often BECAUSE of guns.

[Evster2012]

A lot less ways than in Thailand. My sister lived in Manila and in Tai Pei, Taiwan. I know a little bit about things over there. Bankok too. You can have it man. Always wanted to see Vegas. The easiest way to die there is being killed by a one armed bandit.

Well, Nevada does rank fifth among the states in gun-related deaths per capita at 10.3 per 100,000. The world-wide average is 8.8 deaths per 100,000. More telling are non firearm murder rates, which see Thailand ranked at 8th in the world with 5,140 murders, USA 6th with over 12,000.

[glicine]

What is unbelievable? You are putting your life at risk when you go to those countries. You are in the hands of a corrupt judicial system. Go there if you want to. Not me.

Well, I grew up in Asia and am now living in Europe, and though I've met some thieves here and there, I never felt the need to be afraid of a gun pointing to my head, what some of my friends in the US have experienced.

Not that I want to badmouth the States, but consider carrying a weapon is not the best way to keep yourself safe, IMO.

[Aquamarine]

Those raw numbers don't tell the whole story. They don't tell you that a tourist is a sitting duck for those with ill intentions now do they?

And that only applies to Thailand?

Edited for speling, AGAIN

[Evster2012]

Those raw numbers don't tell the whole story. They don't tell you that a tourist is a sitting duck for those with ill intentions now do they?

Um, I live in VEGAS. Sitting duck tourist ground zero, my friend. Or how about New Orleans?

As for Mexico, I grew up in Southern California, an hour from Tijuana. My friends and I used to drive over the bridge all the time. I've walked the backstreets and shanty areas of Ensenada all by myself, and I wasn't scared.

[glicine]

Certainly New Orleans from what I have heard. I would say Vegas more from a financial view point? But, I don't pretend to be an expert on Vegas. But I'm sure you will agree that Mexico and Thailand are dangerous. I have heard that the american dollar goes a long way over there in Asia? Not too far in Vegas unless you get lucky. If I were you Id be putting in a few sports bets, nothing wrong with making a few bets if you have some money management skills.

I don't know about Mexico, but Thailand is NOT that dangerous unless you're asking for trouble. Could you actually imagine a coutry living off tourism and at the same time being so dangerous that no one wants to go there?

[Evster2012]

Certainly New Orleans from what I have heard. I would say Vegas more from a financial view point? But, I don't pretend to be an expert on Vegas. But I'm sure you will agree that Mexico and Thailand are dangerous. I have heard that the american dollar goes a long way over there in Asia? Not too far in Vegas unless you get lucky. If I were you Id be putting in a few sports bets, nothing wrong with making a few bets if you have some money management skills.

Once you get a block from the Strip, Vegas is full of ghetto areas. It's all gangs, gunshots and helicopters. Of course there's nice areas too, but head up two blocks North of the Stratosphere, and it's Skid Row. You don't want to go there. My buddy Brian lives there, and he rides the fucking bus to work! Scary.

[ninelives]

You couldn't pay me to go to one of those country's. You leave the good old USA and you are no longer safe and you have no power. You cant carry a weapon to defend yourself. Fuck that. I would never go there. Or Mexico either.

What a shame as you're missing out on some wonderful places around the world. We thought the US was the safest place and on September 11th, we were shown we're just as much a target as anywhere. Crime is everywhere and there are safe places here and unsafe places here, just like anywhere in the world.

[Evster2012]

Speaking of work, I have read that Vegas and Arizona have alot of jobs available compared to much of the rest of the country? I don't know what kind of jobs or if this is true? I would imagine there must be work in Vegas though. So if I fly into Vegas I should go right to the strip and stay put? Have you been to Lake Tahoe? Or Reno? Is it any better there?

Yeah, there's work here. That's why we moved out here. Personally I'm not a big fan of The Strip and all that noise. Same goes for Hollywood. I can't stand the traffic and the chaos and the crowds. But yes, there are lots of jobs in the service industry here, though you pretty much have to join one of the unions. Reno/Tahoe is beautiful, but expensive, and you've got the winters. As for coming into Vegas, the airport is right off The Strip behind the MGM Grand, about 90 seconds by cab, and there's plenty of cabs. No waiting. So basically, unless you have somewhere off the Strip you need to go, there's really no reason you would anyway. Plus, there's newer freeways that circle the city, so if you are going to a concert or event say, at Thomas Mack or Sam Boyd Silver Bowl, you don't have to take streets anymore.

[Jahfin]

This reminds me of people that travel to foreign countries only to stay within the confines of a gated community once there. What not just stay the fuck home and watch the Travel Channel or just go to Epcot Center? I'm no world traveler but I did go to Costa Rica back in '99. I went not for a vacation but for an adventure, which is exactly what ended up happening. Was I concerned for my safety? Of course I was, and did the research on that before leaving. There's more incidents of violence on a daily basis in the U.S. than there is down there. Yes, it's a third world country and yes, it is dangerous but better to have visited than staying home and being scared to even go. It reminds me of something I read (or saw) about New York City recently. The media tends to paint such a dire picture of such places that people are scared to go but those that do actually find out it isn't nearly as bad as the media likes to depict it. Just use some common sense and watch your ass. You could just as easily be gunned down in a drive-by on the streets of the U.S. than you are to die in some foreign country. Violence isn't just confined to one place, it happens everywhere (sadly).

[ninelives]

I am not the only one that has the opinion that you are safer here than in many places. Mexico is one of the last places I ever want to see. In fact. I NEVER want to see it. Ill go to Florida thank you. 9/11 was a rare event. I am talking about the average joe going on a tourist visit. Those crazy bastards are all over England too. And they hit Spain. I would say they have more of a safe haven in England and France than in the United States. So I have read anyway.

I'm sure there are others that think the US is the safest place to be and compared to some PARTS of other countries, it is. But I have traveled around and my parents and many mates have traveled extensively to countries all over the world without having any issues or feelings of not being safe, including Mexico. I think you are making a gross generalisation IMO.

[Evster2012]

In the end the world is both a dangerous and safe place, and like any street savvy citizen in any town on the planet, you avoid the bad streets. That applies anywhere. It's common sense.

Anyway, the point is, this all started because Carradine was found dead in Bangkok. But he wasn't found dead in a back alleyway. He was found dead in a luxury hotel. That doesn't speak to whether Thailand is a dangerous place, or whether its government is corrupt. We wouldn't even be having this discussion if he'd been found in a hotel room in Miami, or at Michael Madsen's Malibu home.

[ninelives]

This reminds me of people that travel to foreign countries only to stay within the confines of a gated community once there. What not just stay the fuck home and watch the Travel Channel or just go to Epcot Center? I'm no world traveler but I did go to Costa Rica back in '99. I went not for a vacation but for an adventure, which is exactly what ended up happening. Was I concerned for my safety? Of course I was, and did the research on that before leaving. There's more incidents of violence on a daily basis in the U.S. than there is down there. Yes, it's a third world country and yes, it is dangerous but better to have visited than staying home and being scared to even go. It reminds me of something I read (or saw) about New York City recently. The media tends to paint such a dire picture of such places that people are scared to go but those that do actually find out it isn't nearly as bad as the media likes to depict it. Just use some common sense and watch your ass. You could just as easily be gunned down in a drive-by on the streets of the U.S. than you are to die in some foreign country. Violence isn't just confined to one place, it happens everywhere (sadly).

:yesnod:

That's the point - as Ev said below, the world is safe and dangerous and crimes/violence can happen anywhere. I'm pretty savvy and when I travel, I like to be in the heart of where I am visiting so I get the full experience.

In the end the world is both a dangerous and safe place, and like any street savvy citizen in any town on the planet, you avoid the bad streets. That applies anywhere. It's common sense.

Anyway, the point is, this all started because Carradine was found dead in Bangkok. But he wasn't found dead in a back alleyway. He was found dead in a luxury hotel. That doesn't speak to whether Thailand is a dangerous place, or whether its government is corrupt. We wouldn't even be having this discussion if he'd been found in a hotel room in Miami, or at Michael Madsen's Malibu home.

Very true

[Patrycja]

I can't believe a photo was published of David Carradine's body in Thai papers. Is there anything lower than that? It was supposedly a forensic photo or something. I'm glad that the family has requested the FBI's help because things just don't look right here.

[Evster2012]

At this point the FBI is merely reviewing the Thai authorities' investigation. They haven't taken on the case, further, the Thai authorities, while not inhibiting any potential FBI involvement, insist they can do their jobs just fine. So we'll have to wait and see what the FBI makes of their records.

[eternal light]

I don't know about Mexico, but Thailand is NOT that dangerous unless you're asking for trouble. Could you actually imagine a coutry living off tourism and at the same time being so dangerous that no one wants to go there?

Thailand does have its charm, but proceed with caution.

In late November, PAD activists wearing yellow shirts took over Bangkok's international airport—where the government had been working from after its offices were invaded in August—demanding Somchai's resignation. The airport was forced to shut down entirely, stranding thousands of tourists.

In December, the Constitutional Court ordered the PPP and its two coalition partners, the Machima Thipatai party and the Chart Thai party, to disband after it found them guilty of voter fraud in the 2007 ballot. The court also banned Somchai and executives from the three parties from participating in politics for five years. Somchai accepted the verdict and stepped down. Protesters at the airport welcomed the ruling and ended the siege.

angus-reid.com/polls/view/33553/most_thais_approve_of_current_government/

BANGKOK, June 8 (UPI) -- Gunmen opened fire on worshipers in a mosque in southern Thailand Monday night, killing at least 10 people and wounding more, police said.

A local police official told the state-run Chinese news agency Xinhua by telephone that in addition to those killed, 13 were wounded.

The attack by five armed men occurred about 10:30 p.m. local time in a mosque in the village of Ibaye in Narathiwat province.

"They opened fire indiscriminately at about 50 worshipers inside the mosque," the official told Xinhua. "Ten people were killed, including the local imam."

Security officials said they believed gunmen, who fled into nearby woods, were insurgents bent on instigating conflict between Muslims and Buddhists, Xinhua said.

Earlier in the day, suspected insurgents attacked a military unit in the province, killing one villager and seven soldiers. Thailand's southern region has been plagued by insurgency, with more than 3,500 people killed since January 2004.

upi.com/Top_News/2009/06/08/10-dead-in-Thai-mosque-attack