dragster Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 What's Ciccone doing on that list??!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zepyep Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Hi all, What's Ciccone doing on that list??!!! Does anyone remember that crappy movie Madge did?She was doing a scene, the bumping uglies on top of a car,the lady was very nervous,guess what she asked the crew to play,too, er,....loosen her up?????????? KB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electrophile Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Is this really something to be indignant over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles_Obscure Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 With the exception of Madonna, I really have nothing to say against this year's inductees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dawg Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Hi all, Does anyone remember that crappy movie Madge did?She was doing a scene, the bumping uglies on top of a car,the lady was very nervous,guess what she asked the crew to play,too, er,....loosen her up?????????? KB Would not waste my time with anything that worthless piece of trash Ciccone does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manderlyh Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Happy for The Ventures..... Still Glaring as to who has been left out, from the 70's. The 70's matter much more than the Fucking 80's !! I think Led Zeppelin just proved that !! Give the props to the 70's groups FIRST.... and then make your way 'round to the 80's Poppers .. ugghhh... '80's music in the HOF. I predict next year, Hall and Oates especially for their song "Private Eye." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahfin Posted December 17, 2007 Author Share Posted December 17, 2007 Does anyone remember that crappy movie Madge did? Which one? By my recollection they were all pretty much "crappy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelmon Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 I liked Desperatley Seeking Susan..... I guess I'm the only one here who likes Madonna.... Goin' my way ? Hop on in !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahfin Posted December 17, 2007 Author Share Posted December 17, 2007 ugghhh... '80's music in the HOF. What's with folks' aversion to music made during the 80s here? Not to mention several acts from that time period have already been inducted, not the least of which was R.E.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lzfan715 Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Madonna played the same type of music as current R&R HOF enshrinees: Janis Joplin etc. etc. etc. Popular music or not, she's a singer. And popular music is part of the RnR HOF, not solely RnR. If I were Janis I'd be insulted. Forget that, I am insulted that you even said that. Sorry if I offended you, I didn't mean too. I just had to stick up for Janis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahfin Posted December 17, 2007 Author Share Posted December 17, 2007 I liked Desperatley Seeking Susan..... I guess I'm the only one here who likes Madonna.... That's just the thing, I'm often misunderstood when it comes to my music fandom. Just because I don't think she's "rock n' roll" doesn't mean I have no respect for Madonna as a musical artist. She's definitely done some groundbreaking in her career that deserves recognition but musically she's simply not rock n' roll. If she's ever recorded any rock n' roll music I've never heard it. That said, she has always struck me as more than a bit of a skank ho, kinda like Courtney Hole. I do feel Madonna actually has talent but it lies more in her marketing abilities than anything else and oftentimes she's not very keen on those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahfin Posted December 17, 2007 Author Share Posted December 17, 2007 Sorry if I offended you, I didn't mean too. I just had to stick up for Janis. Madonna couldn't fuckin' tote Janis' Southern Comfort bottle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricmage Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Madonna played the same type of music as current R&R HOF enshrinees: Etta James Tina Turner The Surpremes Marvin Gaye Smokey Robinson Dion Bobby Darin The Four Tops Janis Joplin etc. etc. etc. Popular music or not, she's a singer. And popular music is part of the RnR HOF, not solely RnR. Is this a joke? Madonna never sang any "Soul" R&B" or "Blues" What the hell is wrong with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricmage Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Ahh, but Janis Joplin sings the blues, not rock and roll in your eyes. So she, too, should have been left out. Again, what is the difference between Madonna and The Supremes or Martha And the Vandellas or, yes, even Janis Joplin? They are all singers of popular music. And you can't tell me the song Papa Don't Preach when it was released wasn't as incendiary lyrically as any rock song of the '60s and '70s. I'm not a Madonna fan in the least, but to ignore her influence on rock and roll is being obtuse. Simply put, though, none of them played their own music, ergo you can put them all together. Rock, to me, is an abolition of boundaries. That's why Etta James and REM and Sabbath and Grandmaster Flash and Madonna and The Beach Boys and The Sex Pistols can and should all be under the same musical umbrella. Perhaps the name is the problem and it should be the 20th century museum of popular music. But under the criteria established by those who created it -- and if it weren't for Jann Wenner and Ahmet Ertegun, there'd be no RnR Hall of Fame -- these people are all worthy of induction. If you don't like it, build a $40 million building, donate your time and money to keep it running and call it the Real Rock Hall of Fame or something. In case you didn't realize, Rock n' Roll was born from the blues. Madonna is straight pop. I agree with Jahfin, Once madonna is in, anyone can be eligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Tripper Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Gonna have to agree, Madonna is not rock and roll. When I went to the museum I left disappointed. I'm not sure what I was expecting, but that wasn't it. They have shit from Salt n' Pepa in there or TLC or something... rap chicks anyway... but THAT most certainly is not rock and roll. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the Stooges get the shaft, yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electrophile Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Gonna have to agree, Madonna is not rock and roll. When I went to the museum I left disappointed. I'm not sure what I was expecting, but that wasn't it. They have shit from Salt n' Pepa in there or TLC or something... rap chicks anyway... but THAT most certainly is not rock and roll. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the Stooges get the shaft, yet again. Salt n' Pepa and TLC were really more R&B than rap. They had some early rap influences, but toward the end of their respective careers, they were most definitely not rap artists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelmon Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 That's just the thing, I'm often misunderstood when it comes to my music fandom. Just because I don't think she's "rock n' roll" doesn't mean I have no respect for Madonna as a musical artist. She's definitely done some groundbreaking in her career that deserves recognition but musically she's simply not rock n' roll. If she's ever recorded any rock n' roll music I've never heard it. That said, she has always struck me as more than a bit of a skank ho, kinda like Courtney Hole. I do feel Madonna actually has talent but it lies more in her marketing abilities than anything else and oftentimes she's not very keen on those. Oh...OK....I thought this had more or less turned into a 'diss Madonna' thread. To not see her in the RocknRoll camp is an opinion to be respected. She slips in under the 'roll' part to me.... Sweet Hitchhiker !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahfin Posted December 17, 2007 Author Share Posted December 17, 2007 When I was at the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame & Museum a few years ago I noticed they had some of Britney Spears' stage clothes on display. The future has already been written for the Hall and it's not rock n' roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelmon Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 When I was at the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame & Museum a few years ago I noticed they had some of Britney Spears' stage clothes on display. The future has already been written for the Hall and it's not rock n' roll. In the evolving era of 'all acceptance' and PC posture.....The Hall is definately mirroring this inclusive view. Got to admit though, not necessarily talking about Madonna or Britney, but there is a grey area on the boundaries of what RocknRoll would include. Wherein I don't call Kenny G jazz....others do, and that makes me gag....good analogy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solar Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 When I was at the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame & Museum a few years ago I noticed they had some of Britney Spears' stage clothes on display. The future has already been written for the Hall and it's not rock n' roll. There's also a Ricky Nelson exhibit, so it's not like popular music in the RNR Hall began with this Madonna inclusion. And what about Michael Jackson? Just because he had EVH play on Beat It doesn't make him any different than Madonna. Like I said before, it probably would be more aptly named something along the lines of Popular Music Hall of Fame. The criteria has been set that way from the very first classes in 1986 and '87. Personally, I can see why Madonna's included in the RNR Hall, but clearly we have differing views on what belongs there. To me, there's no difference between Madonna and Aretha other than what was popular music when they were at their peak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahfin Posted December 17, 2007 Author Share Posted December 17, 2007 I can see where Aretha had a direct influence on rock n' roll so her inclusion is very warranted. I see where Madonna had an influence on similar artists in the pop/dance/r & b field but not rock n' roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengoalie21ledzepp Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 For Immediate Release: THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME ANNOUNCES ITS INDUCTEES FOR 2008 New York -- The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation today announced its inductees for 2008. The inductees will be honored at a ceremony on March 10, 2008, at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York City. "The 2008 inductees are trailblazers – all unique and influential in their genres," said Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation President and CEO Joel Peresman. "From poetry to pop, these five acts demonstrate the rich diversity of rock and roll itself. We are proud to honor these artists and celebrate their contribution to rock and roll's place in our culture." The performer inductees are: ah i don't think i'm going tto watch this one know. * Leonard Cohen * The Dave Clark Five (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, Rick Huxley, Denis Payton and Mike Smith) * Madonna * John Mellencamp * The Ventures (Bob Bogle, Nokie Edwards, Gerry McGee, Mel Taylor, Don Wilson) The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame also announced the induction of Little Walter in its sideman category, and the newly named "Ahmet Ertegun Award" (formerly the non-performer category) will be presented to legendary producers, Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff. The 2008 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame performer inductees were chosen by the 600 voters of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. Artists are eligible for inclusion in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame twenty-five years after their first recording is released. In addition to being honored at the March ceremony, each inducted artist is commemorated at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum in Cleveland Ohio, which serves as a monument to rock and roll's impact on our culture. There, this year's inductees will be honored – along with previous year's inductees and hundreds of other artists – with exhibits, video and interactive presentations and programs that serve to tell the story of modern music. The Hall of Fame itself will include artifacts from this year's inductees, a multi-media presentation with highlights from each artist's career and their signatures permanently engraved in the glass walls of the Hall of Fame. Presenters and performers at the induction will be announced at a later date. The induction ceremony will again air live on VH1 Classic on March 10, 2008. ### More about the inductees: With the 1966 release of In My Life by Judy Collins, containing Leonard Cohen's "Suzanne" and "Dress Rehearsal Rag," Cohen became a folk rock icon of the singer songwriter movement. Already an acclaimed poet and novelist in his native Canada, Cohen moved to New York in 1967 and released his classic album Songs of Leonard Cohen on Columbia Records. Its music launched Leonard Cohen into the highest and most influential echelon of songwriters. Cohen's elegiac work is widely used in film and covered by artists from Jeff Buckley to Bono to Bob Dylan to R.E.M. As Kurt Cobain said, "Give me a Leonard Cohen afterworld so I can sigh eternally." One of the most successful British Invasion bands of the Sixties, The Dave Clark Five topped the UK charts in 1965 with their iconic pop song "Glad All Over." Thundering production set the DC5 apart. Their slick melodic sensibility masked their boom factor: The DC5 were the loudest group in the U.K. until the advent of The Who. Drummer, songwriter and manager Dave Clark provided a perfect foundation for Mike Smith's soulful vocals. Reaching the Top Forty 17 times in just three years, with more appearances on the Ed Sullivan show than the Beatles or the Rolling Stones, the DC5 were an enormous pop phenomenon before disbanding in 1970. The Dave Clark Five have sold more than 50 million records worldwide to date. Doors opened wide for Madonna Louise Ciccone in 1982, after five years as a singer and dancer on New York City's competitive club circuit. She signed with Sire Records (her label for the next 14 years) where her idiosyncratic persona exploded onto turntables, dance floors and airwaves and captured the imagination of the first generation of MTV viewers. She went on to become the top female star of the 1980s with seven #1 hits, three #1 albums and seventeen top ten hits in that decade. In addition to molding her public image, Madonna is a meticulous studio craftsperson and completely uninhibited stage performer. From her first #1, 1984's "Like A Virgin" (produced by Nile Rogers of Chic) to her most recent two year Confessions campaign, Madonna remains one of the most ferociously original artists in music today. Over the course of his career, John Mellencamp has become a symbol of the hopes, struggles and passions of America's heartland. As a songwriter, many of his efforts have transcended "hit" status ("Hurts So Good," "Pink Houses," "I Need A Lover") and have entered the cultural vernacular. Mellencamp's musical heart is in his ballads and rock numbers rooted in late 50s and early 60s rock and roll. His music describes the American experience; the hopes and fears of the common everyman. As co-founder of Farm Aid, Indiana's favorite son gives voice to issues that might otherwise be ignored, from our disappearing farmlands to the role of race and class in America. From Seattle, The Ventures defined instrumental guitar rock in the 1960s. Their hits bookended the decade, from 1960's "Walk Don't Run" to 1969's "Hawaii Five-O." Nokie Edwards' twang-guitar and the crisp rhythm of Don Wilson, bassist Bob Bogle and drummer Mel Taylor gave every Ventures album their trademark bent note sound. Long admired by other bands like the Beatles (and especially George Harrison), Stephen Stills, Joe Walsh, Aerosmith, and others, The Ventures hit the Billboard chart nearly three dozen times in the 1960s. The transparent stereo mixes enabled guitarists to isolate and learn every riff, an idea that fueled 1965's essential instruction LP Play Guitar With The Ventures. Founders of surf rock, The Ventures inspired a classic line of Mosrite guitars and have maintained a flourishing touring and recording career for decades, especially in Europe and Japan. Little Walter (May 1, 1930 – February 15, 1968) Although Little Walter might not have been the first person to amplify the harmonica, his pioneering use of the microphone helped establish the modern blues harmonica. With a mike clasped to his harp, Little Walter created echoing, moaning, hornlike sounds that redefined the capabilities of the instrument. Walter Jacobs had fourteen top ten hits on the R&B charts in the 1950's including two number #1 songs "Juke" and "My Babe." Little Walter toured and recorded extensively with blues great Muddy Waters in the 1950's. He also recorded with Jimmy Rogers, Memphis Minnie, Otis Rush and Bo Diddley. Little Walter's influence was pervasive, especially in England where the next generation of harp players such as Mick Jagger listened to his records over and over. Songwriters-producers and record label owners Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff made Philadelphia the soul capitol in the 1970's. Gamble and Huff's label Philadelphia International had a stable of artists that included the O'Jays, McFadden & Whitehead, Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes, Lou Rawls and Dee Dee Sharp. Their records featured the duo's trademark sound: lush string orchestrations, a powerful rhythm section and a disco beat. They also worked with Dusty Springfield, Wilson Pickett, and Jerry Butler among others. In 1990, Gamble and Huff won a Grammy for best R&B song, awarded for Simply Red's cover of the Blue Notes' 1972 hit "If You Don't Know Me By Know." And in 1999, they won the Grammy Trustees Award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahfin Posted December 17, 2007 Author Share Posted December 17, 2007 Cat got your tongue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengoalie21ledzepp Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 now i know i'm not watchin this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahfin Posted December 18, 2007 Author Share Posted December 18, 2007 Put on the list of Madonna haters. Cant stand the bitch I don't think I've ever said I "hate" Madonna, or any performer for that matter. I simply don't believe the music she makes is rock n' roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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