blindwillie127 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 I am convinced that Southampton was not the only show multi tracked by Eddie Kramer during their '73 UK run. Not only is Trentham a superior performance but it is recorded better than Southampton. Sounds like an unbalanced rough mix from a multi track to me. No way in hell this is a soundboard. Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef free Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 I hope you're right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindwillie127 Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 15 minutes ago, chef free said: I hope you're right! I seriously have no doubt about it. The level of clarity and detail on the drums screams multi track to my ears. And, this could be the D&C Page recently spoke about listening to from '73, as opposed to Southampton as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 This sounds great and is awesome news if true. I really, REALLY love this person of D&C. What an awesome show and I dig the echo on Plant's voice. Sounds extra gloomy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindwillie127 Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, IpMan said: This sounds great and is awesome news if true. I really, REALLY love this person of D&C. What an awesome show and I dig the echo on Plant's voice. Sounds extra gloomy. Dude! I fucking dare you to play Dancing Day's from this show and crank it the fuck up. I dare ya........you'll see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 14 minutes ago, blindwillie127 said: Dude! I fucking dare you to play Dancing Day's from this show and crank it the fuck up. I dare ya........you'll see On my way... DO you by chance know where it is in the setlist? Time marker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindwillie127 Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, IpMan said: On my way... DO you by chance know where it is in the setlist? Time marker? Its at 30 minutes in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 13 minutes ago, blindwillie127 said: Its at 30 minutes in Wow, that was truly great. What a show!!! Thanks buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZepHead315 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Even if it wasn't multi tracked, the Winston Remaster of this show is so good that Page could honestly release it officially without any complaints (minus Plant's voice of course). The drums have a very thunderous bottom end which makes Bonham sound absolutely massive. If Page is planning an archival chronological live release, I wouldn't complain at all if a few tracks from this show were used. Dancing Days, as you mentioned, is amazing and should definitely be one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForEvermore Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 2 hours ago, blindwillie127 said: I seriously have no doubt about it. The level of clarity and detail on the drums screams multi track to my ears. And, this could be the D&C Page recently spoke about listening to from '73, as opposed to Southampton as well. From your mouth to God's ear... Thanks for starting this thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmtomh Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 There's no evidence that this show was multitracked, and there's no sonic evidence that the circulating soundboard source actually is a rough professional multitrack mixdown. The clarity of the drums/bottom end, and the relative clarity of the top end, is because Winston is very good at remastering this stuff. A quick listen to the original, unremastered source will, I think, convince most folks that this is indeed just a soundboard tape. This source was in no way "recorded better" than Southampton, and it does not have any sonic benefits that aren't audible on other decent soundboard sources from the early 1973 UK/EU tour. Of course I would love it if this were a multitrack - or, more to the point, if a multitrack existed for this show even if the circulating source is not that. But I think the chances are slim to none. It is a great performance, though. My favorite moment is when Page plays a little bit of Voodoo Child (Slight Return) during Whole Lotta Love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porgie66 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 10 hours ago, tmtomh said: There's no evidence that this show was multitracked, and there's no sonic evidence that the circulating soundboard source actually is a rough professional multitrack mixdown. The clarity of the drums/bottom end, and the relative clarity of the top end, is because Winston is very good at remastering this stuff. A quick listen to the original, unremastered source will, I think, convince most folks that this is indeed just a soundboard tape. This source was in no way "recorded better" than Southampton, and it does not have any sonic benefits that aren't audible on other decent soundboard sources from the early 1973 UK/EU tour. Of course I would love it if this were a multitrack - or, more to the point, if a multitrack existed for this show even if the circulating source is not that. But I think the chances are slim to none. It is a great performance, though. My favorite moment is when Page plays a little bit of Voodoo Child (Slight Return) during Whole Lotta Love. I agree with this. While there is a lot of clarity and detail in the drums, it's mostly high freqs and there isn't very much bottom end or depth or sense of space with this recording. It sounds rather thin and flat like most sound boards from this era. Also, I highly doubt Plant would sign off on much being released from this tour as his voice was pretty rough most of the time. The band however are cracking on this show, especially Bonzo. I wonder if Sean could chime in and offer his 2 cents on this subject. He has a pretty good sounding unknown gen cassette copy of this tape , not sure if that's what Winston used for his source. ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmtomh Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 8 hours ago, porgie66 said: I agree with this. While there is a lot of clarity and detail in the drums, it's mostly high freqs and there isn't very much bottom end or depth or sense of space with this recording. It sounds rather thin and flat like most sound boards from this era. Also, I highly doubt Plant would sign off on much being released from this tour as his voice was pretty rough most of the time. The band however are cracking on this show, especially Bonzo. I wonder if Sean could chime in and offer his 2 cents on this subject. He has a pretty good sounding unknown gen cassette copy of this tape , not sure if that's what Winston used for his source. ?? Sean can say for sure, but I believe Winston used a different source, as he did his remaster before Sean's source started circulating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindwillie127 Posted December 9, 2017 Author Share Posted December 9, 2017 17 hours ago, tmtomh said: There's no evidence that this show was multitracked, and there's no sonic evidence that the circulating soundboard source actually is a rough professional multitrack mixdown. The clarity of the drums/bottom end, and the relative clarity of the top end, is because Winston is very good at remastering this stuff. A quick listen to the original, unremastered source will, I think, convince most folks that this is indeed just a soundboard tape. This source was in no way "recorded better" than Southampton, and it does not have any sonic benefits that aren't audible on other decent soundboard sources from the early 1973 UK/EU tour. Of course I would love it if this were a multitrack - or, more to the point, if a multitrack existed for this show even if the circulating source is not that. But I think the chances are slim to none. It is a great performance, though. My favorite moment is when Page plays a little bit of Voodoo Child (Slight Return) during Whole Lotta Love. I agree with some of this, but not all. I personally hear "sonic benefits" that separate this recording from other sbds during U.K./tour. And, I think you're giving way too much credit to Winston for their remastering prowess. They're good, but there's only so much you can do with remastering anything. You can make it worse, or you can make it better, but you can't make it amazing. There's some amazing shit here from what ever source this is from. Also, I think the chances that this was multi tracked is much better than "slim to none" is because I was always baffled why they had Kramer recording them at Southampton to begin with it. I've always found that odd. Having Kramer record a couple shows though thru this local run makes much more sense to me. This is pure speculation, but imagine this: Both Hampton & Trentham were multi tracked by Kramer. Hampton was released as a rough mix because the performance wasn't worthy of being officially released. But, Trentham was held back for a future release down the road because it was too fucking good to give it up just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porgie66 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, tmtomh said: Sean can say for sure, but I believe Winston used a different source, as he did his remaster before Sean's source started circulating. Good point. Winstons source was listed as a 1st gen cassette>dat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindwillie127 Posted December 9, 2017 Author Share Posted December 9, 2017 Somebody please go to 1:09:20 and crank it the fuck up for a while! Then, come back and tell me that this doesn't sound like a multi track. I'm sticking to my theory that Eddie Kramer recorded this show before Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgeholder Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Check the photos. Are there two big condenser mics over the drums? That'll answer your question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundmeister Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 I think the "Voodoo Child" phrase is the best clue that Mr. Page was having a laugh with Mr. Kramer, who was probably working in the truck, basement, foh or somewhere close by. Just a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xolo1974 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 6 hours ago, tmtomh said: Sean can say for sure, but I believe Winston used a different source, as he did his remaster before Sean's source started circulating. Sean who? Strider? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porgie66 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Just now, Xolo1974 said: Sean who? Strider? No, Sean The Bootlegger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xolo1974 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 1 minute ago, porgie66 said: No, Sean The Bootlegger Jesus. “Sean the Bootlegger”. Haha. Thanks George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Avenger Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Did Eddie Kramer record Southampton? Do we know that for sure? My understanding is there was no plan to record 22nd January, but the equipment happened to be there so they made the most of it. I’d be delighted if Stoke or anything else from 73 was multitracked, but there’s no evidence for it, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindwillie127 Posted December 11, 2017 Author Share Posted December 11, 2017 On December 9, 2017 at 6:10 PM, soundmeister said: I think the "Voodoo Child" phrase is the best clue that Mr. Page was having a laugh with Mr. Kramer, who was probably working in the truck, basement, foh or somewhere close by. Just a guess. Very good connection there, glad you caught that. Its also a very good first post. Welcome to the Forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindwillie127 Posted December 11, 2017 Author Share Posted December 11, 2017 If anybody wants to gets their mind blown, I suggest putting on some headphones and listen to TSRTS from this show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-ocean87 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 I wonder why the uploader has excluded Stairway to heaven in every of his uploaded concerts. Sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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