slave to zep Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 i was wondering if jimmy ( or jpj or jb ) ever wrote lyrics either for zep or solo projects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Action Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Allegedly Jimmy wrote all the lyrics to the first album. Some sources also credit Jimmy as the lyricist to Kashmir. (I rather doubt that last one.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slave to zep Posted January 16, 2008 Author Share Posted January 16, 2008 oh i have never heard that before! kashmir sounds VERY plant to me...i guess the first album sounds feasible, robert was quite young, but i still think plant wouldve done most of it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Action Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 oh i have never heard that before! kashmir sounds VERY plant to me...i guess the first album sounds feasible, robert was quite young, but i still think plant wouldve done most of it.... Again, I think Robert did write the lyrics to Kashmir. But I suspect Jimmy did do the 1st album. Robert didn't really come into his own until the second album, writing wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Wasn't there also some issue with Robert that he was still under contract with CBS Records and therefore couldn't be credited for any songwriting on the first album? I could be completely off on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wad Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 did bonham use to write lyrics 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feather in the wind Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 (edited) check this album/cd out: Led Zeppelin: This Ain't No Tribute Series Various Artists here's the link to Amazon for some sample clips of the cd. http://www.amazon.com/Led-Zeppelin-This-Ai...672&sr=1-11 safe to click Edited January 16, 2008 by feather in the wind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyRaven Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Jimmy supposidly wrote the lyrics of Tangerine and supposidy did it while he was in the Yardbirds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slave to zep Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 well i wonder if the others wrote any? maybe jimmy did with coverdale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledzep4life Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 well i think he wrote the lyrics to white summer hehe this is one thing id like to find out, im searching now but when i try search it i mainly get anti led zep sites who say that zep ripped evrything off..... so not worth reading. i came across a site that swears that stairway to heaven has a satanic verse hidden within if played backwards... if you play songs backwards then i think you have too much time on your hands haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swandown Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Jimmy contributed lyrically to the first album and part of the second album, but from then on it was pretty much all Robert. "Tangerine" is a notable exception, although it's possible that Robert contributed to that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katuschka Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Jimmy supposidly wrote the lyrics of Tangerine and supposidy did it while he was in the Yardbirds. I think it was even before, in 1965. I could be wrong, though. It was either 1965 or 1966. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lzfan715 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Jimmy Page did all of Tangerine. As for the first album, we can't really be too sure who wrote what. For a lot of reasons, main ones being: 1. Robert was still under contract with CBS so he couldn't be listed on the album. (As mentioned above.) 2. Jimmy says that he tried to share the credits evenly with Bonzo and Jonesy. He also noted that "some people" didn't appreciete it, and that the comment was no way directed towards Bonzo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swandown Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Jimmy Page did all of Tangerine. This has been publicly refuted by 2 of the 4 people who played on the original version of the song (Jim McCarty & Chris Dreja). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickZepp Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Tangerine was before the Yardbirds. I wouldn't be shocked if McCarty & Derja did a version though. The rewritten version of Dazed and Confused was Jimmy Page. The lyrics are different from the Holmes version There might be a song or two where he wrote lyrics to or a few lines. But those 2 are probably the only ones he wrote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Greg Russo's excellent book 'Yardbirds - The Ultimate Rave-Up! (3rd edition) covers this controversy in exacting detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slave to zep Posted February 17, 2008 Author Share Posted February 17, 2008 Greg Russo's excellent book 'Yardbirds - The Ultimate Rave-Up! (3rd edition) covers this controversy in exacting detail. thanks everyone. steve , i dont have that book so, could you expand on that please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katuschka Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Tangerine was before the Yardbirds. I wouldn't be shocked if McCarty & Derja did a version though. Oh good, I know the story behind it is from his session days, but I wasn't sure about the time when he actually wrote it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katuschka Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 thanks everyone. steve , i dont have that book so, could you expand on that please? The song is supposed to be about Jackie DeShannon. They were working on some music together when she was in London, and Jimmy allegedly had a crush on her. She returned back to the States and left him yearning... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickZepp Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 I found an early version of Tangerine on Youtube. But I'm not sure if it's right to be posted here or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MS1 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 I found an early version of Tangerine on Youtube. But I'm not sure if it's right to be posted here or not. We probably shouldn't. But if you're interested in the Tangerine authorship question, you should look it up. The arrangement is the same but the lyrics are quite different, only the first verse of lyrics from Zep's version existed in the Yardbird's version. So the idea that Jimmy was responsible for all of Tangerine really isn't as far fetched as some here would have it. Jimmy has said in interviews that "Thank You" was the first song that Robert wrote all the way through, and that he had always intended for Robert to write all the lyrics so he could concentrate on the music. That statement implies that they worked in collaboration prior to that. Hard to say who wrote what, given Robert's contractual situation during the first album, although listening to live tapes from '69, Robert must have been involved from the very beginning, he's constantly changing the lyrics live, adding new verses, etc. But, if we are to take Jimmy's statement at face value, then Jimmy has a pattern of collaborating with lead singers on the lyrics- and it may be that he did so with Keith Relf on the Yardbirds version and subsequently only used what he himself wrote on the Zeppelin version and abandoned all of Keith's material. Keith isn't here to say, and so it's a case of he said she said between Page and McCarty/ Dreja. Who knows if Dreja and McCarty are right about Keith writing that verse? They certainly haven't been able to prove it legally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickZepp Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Most of the first album was just covers from other songs anyway so there was probably actually very little song writing there. Some of II was also. After that they seemed to write almost all their own lyrics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
california girl Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 well i wonder if the others wrote any? maybe jimmy did with coverdale? My daughter read an article which states that Jimmy and Bonzo would disappear while Robert and Jonesie wrote the lyrics and the music. By the time Jimmy and Bonzo got back, the song was ready to play. Robert said this happened quite often. She also believes "Trampled underfoot" was written by Bonzo because of the references to a car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 The song is supposed to be about Jackie DeShannon. They were working on some music together when she was in London, and Jimmy allegedly had a crush on her. She returned back to the States and left him yearning... ...his yearning was satisfied in New York, though she was married at the time. She also introduced to him to American music industry movers and shakers during that same visit, his first to the United States. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickZepp Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 My daughter read an article which states that Jimmy and Bonzo would disappear while Robert and Jonesie wrote the lyrics and the music. By the time Jimmy and Bonzo got back, the song was ready to play. Robert said this happened quite often. She also believes "Trampled underfoot" was written by Bonzo because of the references to a car. Trampled Underfoot has references to sex more than any cars. BTW the Yardbirds early version of Tangerine sounds a lot like Tommy James' Crimson and Clover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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