ninelives Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 David Gilmore is unreliable. Why? How would you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Why? How would you know? Because I knew someone who was reliable. There is a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Because I knew someone who was reliable. There is a difference. That doesn't answer the question. I know reliable people too. I don't know David Gilmour but I have no reason to accuse him of being unreliable. I'm sure he's had experience in the groupie world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I would not rely on his experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I would not rely on his experience. That's your choice but it's interesting you make these statements and when questioned, offer no answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I doubt that he is all that knowledgeable on the status of women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Jimmy is entitled to distinguish the serious relationships from the not-so-serious relationships, because they were his. Why should we be doing that? We have no claim over him or the women in his life. And even if he were involved with groupies or what have you, they had a certain power - being able to attract the men that they did - over him. They knew where they stood, but they used it to their advantage. And do they regret it? Probably not. So, whilst you insist that because Jimmy called Pamela a bimbo - so, therefore, she must be - don't forget that he also asked whether she was still in town that night. He may have called these women derogatory terms, but I'm willing to bet he would've gone to them just as willingly as they would've welcomed him. Why, thank you Well said and I really agree with you. How any fan can pronnounce on who Jimmy really loved and who he didn't is a bit mystifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longdistancewinner Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Well said and I really agree with you. How any fan can pronnounce on who Jimmy really loved and who he didn't is a bit mystifying. Thanks Furthur more, why should we be so interested in his private life? And why is it only Jimmy? I don't see this much speculation on Robert's relationships. The women who have borne him children have kept their mouths shut because of that. I'm sure his kids would really love to hear their mother's airing their dirty laundry from years gone by. They've kept quiet for their own reasons. But that doesn't mean they're angels - any more than some people seem to make Jimmy out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Thanks Furthur more, why should we be so interested in his private life? And why is it only Jimmy? I don't see this much speculation on Robert's relationships. The women who have borne him children have kept their mouths shut because of that. I'm sure his kids would really love to hear their mother's airing their dirty laundry from years gone by. They've kept quiet for their own reasons. But that doesn't mean they're angels - any more than some people seem to make Jimmy out to be. Oooh I have. The webmaster here is just smart about deleting stuff quickly! Agree with all you say here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Sometimes Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Personally, I think Charlotte is the most beautiful. Why, thank you! ::hair flip::: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledded1 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I have only met Jimena and she was such a lovely and attractive woman full stop. Gorgeous really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireOpal Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Gorgeous voice too - muy exotica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
songbird Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I don't really understand these types of threads either. Well, I get how fans are fascinated with these women because they wish they could BE them! or something. But I can't really see the thrill of discussing someone's relationships at length when a)you don't know any of the people concerned and b)it was like, 3498324 years ago. Just seems kinda silly. Having said that I did click on the link in the first post and didn't realize Patricia Ecker was so young. 46? The age dif doesn't really show between her and JP. Then again he always has looked younger than his age IMO. ..... Dammit, I'm such a hypocrite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Sometimes Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 But I can't really see the thrill of discussing someone's relationships at length when a)you don't know any of the people concerned and b)it was like, 3498324 years ago. Just seems kinda silly. It comes with the territory of being famous. In exchange for millions of dollars, people will speculate endlessly about who you have or haven't boinked. Hey, there's a price for everything in life, including fame. Right, wrong, whatever, it just is...and always will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aligula Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Most of Jimmy Page's partners have been "temporary" in a sense. He has Venus in Sagittarius, so it is natural for him to have relationships of a mutable nature. What? That stuff about David Gilmore was funny too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 What? That stuff about David Gilmore was funny too. Sagittarius is a mutable sign and Venus represents Jimmy Page's love interests. As for David Gilmore's disappointing conversation skills, my time is better spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aligula Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Sagittarius is a mutable sign and Venus represents Jimmy Page's love interests. As for David Gilmore's disappointing conversation skills, my time is better spent. Haha Sorry, I didn't realise people still took stuff like that seriously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Sagittarius is a mutable sign and Venus represents Jimmy Page's love interests. As for David Gilmore's disappointing conversation skills, my time is better spent. I personally found him absolutely charming. I guess his skills depend on the person he's having the conversation with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireOpal Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Gilmour seems a bit shy and reserved, in a very appealing way. I hope that groupies = prostitutes quote was just a bad translation. Anyway, he's an amazing guitarist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I personally found him absolutely charming. I guess his skills depend on the person he's having the conversation with. I have heard nothing but lovely things about him as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Whoever finds him absolutely charming should be the one talking to him. Gilmour seems a bit shy and reserved, in a very appealing way. I hope that groupies = prostitutes quote was just a bad translation. Anyway, he's an amazing guitarist. I had already written this in another thread. David Gilmore of Pink Floyd said in interview in 1971. The relation between the groupies and the musicians look like the prostitutes and the guests who trace parallel lines. It's only that there isn't money issue. This is the one to represent musicians' ideas in that age. (I personally think.) But most groupies have very different ideas. These girls might be mistaking to have had usual love relationships with Rock stars. And there might be big different points between both. This problem traces parallel lines forever. David Gilmore is exactly right! I have not seen that interview. I wonder who spoke to him. He may be amazing at guitars, but it is apparent that his concept of the status of women may be limited, that is if he was correctly quoted. So before I rush to judgement, did he really say that? (There is not any reference to prostitutes or groupies in this interview.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_era Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longdistancewinner Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 What does David Gilmour have to do with prostitution in the Victorian era? Groupies hung out with and bedded rock stars because they wanted to. Aside from the tally of men and notoriety, they gained nothing from it but pleasure. As did the men who went to them. Prostitutes usually resort to what they do because they need money to fuel something - usually some form of addiction. They usually live a life of depravity and are often in dangerous situations. They do it for business. I don't know David Gilmour, nor any other musician, but if I do judge them (and I know I shouldn't) it's usually based on the manner in which they present themselves. And as far as I am concerned, David Gilmour seems like a very genteel, mild mannered man with respect for his fellow artists and fans. Whether or not he's had groupies (and given the era in which he first performed, it's likely) I care not one jot. It was a lifetime ago. Why should we care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Maybe Alice knows. She quoted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 What does David Gilmour have to do with prostitution in the Victorian era? Groupies hung out with and bedded rock stars because they wanted to. Aside from the tally of men and notoriety, they gained nothing from it but pleasure. As did the men who went to them. Prostitutes usually resort to what they do because they need money to fuel something - usually some form of addiction. They usually live a life of depravity and are often in dangerous situations. They do it for business. I don't know David Gilmour, nor any other musician, but if I do judge them (and I know I shouldn't) it's usually based on the manner in which they present themselves. And as far as I am concerned, David Gilmour seems like a very genteel, mild mannered man with respect for his fellow artists and fans. Whether or not he's had groupies (and given the era in which he first performed, it's likely) I care not one jot. It was a lifetime ago. Why should we care? 'Zactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Why should anyone care about the status of women? As long as the status quo is working groupies will always be prostitutes because no one has to care. Alice can have her good girl, bad girl caste system enshrined, and quote David Gilmour of Pink Floyd, incorrectly or not, as the one who justified her belief. So unless you are Charlotte Martin, Patricia Ecker or Jimena, if someone happens to define you as a groupie, you are entered impermeably into the groupie caste and dismissed by Alice as being pretty worthless as a person. Sorry, Miss Pamela. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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