it'll be interesting to hear Jonesy's input as we rarely hear from him. Plant could give a rare more serious approach, maybe if we're lucky. But Page no doubt will wheel out the same old things he always says "it was like there was a fifth member present" "a form of alchemy" "the critics missed how much acoustic was on the fist album" "I knew what I wanted to create" etc we could play Page cliché bingo along to it

I know a couple of folk who went to see the Firm because of Paul Rodgers, not because of jimmy. it worked the other way for me; I stayed away from them because of him. I haven't liked anything he's done since the first two bad company albums

Planty's over the top wailing for the first year or so An hour of one man only on stage in the 77 tour. Over the top, noise solo, and WS/ BMS. Just overblown nonsense, particularly with Page often way below par. I think taking the bow section out of D&C reduced its effectiveness by being exposed as silly without the bookending of the riff and verses. Probably by 75 he needed a new showcase, or maybe shortening D&C instead of extending it even further when they'd lost its vitality. It got turgid. Some good bits obviously but unnecessary. i wonder how it would have been had Planty ever taken a poll at the 75 and 77 US gigs "who wants to hear 20 - 30 minutes of drums? Hands up" surely there couldn't have been too many in favour? Maybe I'm wrong. All this at a time when Page claimed to be excited by the spirit of the Damned etc. They could have played a whole set and encores in the time of just the OTP drum solo. The black dragon and white poppy suits partly turned Page into a cartoon. He dressed better on the 75 tour before Earls Court I think. Wearing the new suit there was cool, but only wearing the suits on the 77 tour seemed as though he just wanted to look like his caracature Not preparing more for Knebworth, given that they knew they were going to record it on film for possible use. The second night warm up at Copenhagen was great and maybe if they played a dozen more gigs or so before the main event they'd have been more consistent on the night, like Copenhagen There were some great bits but also some not so. Page looked dreadful, like a sweating corpse. Again I'd say drop or severely shorten the noise solo and likewise WS/BMS. Instead of dragging it out, just play it for a minute or two and then when folk think they're going to have to go for a piss or drink, trick them by going straight into Kashmir. Same with the 80 tour. WS at Berlin is one of the worst things I think Ive ever heard. If you're struggling to do something, don't drag it out, trim it back. with rice paper for skin and

He may be a very good guitar player but he looks like a fool with his wig

On my copy of listen to this Eddie it states the title is a reference to Eddie Kramer

Page was at his most consistent high quality playing on the 98 tour than any tour since 75. he was good at the O2, certainly good enough to make up for the mishaps of live aid and Atlantic shows, but he was nowhere near as on form as he was in 98 just my opinion obviously

yeah I'm with you. lets have Page back in the dragon suit duck walking across the stage as though the last 38 years since the band split up haven't happened. no doubt Plant will still have the groupies creaming with him strutting about bare chested Lets see who else we can bring back from the 70s and expect them to still be as good as they were in their heyday Arnold Schwarzenegger. he was one of the best bodybuilders ever. get him entered for next years world competition Pele. probably the greatest footballer ever. he was fantastic in the 70s. get him back in the Brazilian league and national squad to show the new boys how to play Sylvester Stallone. I don't like him personally but he was pretty fit in he first Rocky film. lets have another sequel with Stallone back in the ring Jimmy Carter. he was president in the 70's. the US is in turmoil with Trump. lets have Carter back in office to sort it out Ivan Mauger. best speedway rider ever. no doubt he can still tear it up around the track I cant see any problem with any of the above returning to former levels of glory. so why not Zeppelin? .

in 1980 I was 15 and an avid reader of all the UK music press; Sounds, Record Mirror, NME (was Melody Maker still going then?). there was no reporting of the tour, or if there was it was very sparse. I still have some press clippings from that time when I was a teenage geek, but have noting from that tour. Maybe the band wanted it that way so they could use the tour as an opportunity to get road ready for the US again away from prying eyes, or maybe there just wasn't any interest from the press at the time I remember buying Tight But Loose to find out what had happened and even as an impressionable youngster it looked to me as though it was pretty much over, in that the magic had gone and that they were no longer the force they had been

I think its fair to say that instead of putting right all the mistakes and differences between the film and audio from the original release, the new version just muddied the waters even further. obviously getting the extra tracks was fantastic, but then they added the horrendous edits its not just that the new edits have omitted some cracking bits, NQ the funky section of WLL, its that the edits are so badly done. the worst edits I've ever heard on ANY album in 45 years of buying albums. that's not what I would expect from Zeppelin. newcomers to the band who bought the new version must wonder what all the fuss about the greatness of the band was all about. if id heard that album for the first time id think Page had cloth ears

i stand corrected

Well they weren't great musicians with exemption of Mike Nesmith. You surely know they were a put together band who didn't really play on their songs to begin with and only later got in on the musical action? they were liked by other bands though, though I've always understood that was more today with them as people, rather than musicians

That's a three minute solo that would have been much better played in half the time. There are some great bits but there is a lot of guff as well.

I'm with you man. I don't understand why BCC feature here

No

I'd have thought that your "god" is actually the father of lies, given that he is supposedly all powerful. if he's unhappy with "satan" telling lies why doesn't he do away with him? In terms of numbers of people killed by "satan" or "Satanists" I expect that fall far far behind the number killed by our friendly caring "god" you know, the one who killed everyone with a flood except for one small family. plus all the other killings listed quite clearly in the bible

amp settings have no impact upon playing sloppy playing. someone can play perfect guitar though a shitty sounding amp. that's a very different matter to playing sloppily through a good amp. ones about the sound of an amp the other is about the proficiency of the player. Page is, or can be a sloppy player and he's referred to that himself

someone messed with his amp settings? that's one of the daftest things ive hear for a while. I presume it is a joke? you don't think his guitar tech / roadies would check the amp settings before hitting the stage? assuming someone did mess with them any particular reason why JP or his roadie cant spend a minute between songs resetting the controls. which bands paid someone to tamper with his settings and ho do you think they managed to do it. and if they can do it why didn't they do it in his time with the Crowes?

and from what Freddie Bannister wrote in his book "there must be a better way" on the Knebworth festivals, featuring a lengthy piece on the Zeppelin 79 performance Peter Grant hadn't changed his ways at all since Oakland and was still acting in a very unpleasant manner

I don't think you need to be aware of what was edited out just that the edits are so clumsily done as to be unnoticeable. I genuinely thought maybe my CD was faulty when I first heard the remastered D&C

just play the different versions of no quarter and notice the difference in the guitar solos. on the remaster there's a sizeable chunk of the guitar intro hacked out.

even if it were Shirley behind the shonky edits, Page would/should have had to agree to the final version.

the new version of TSRTS is Page's absolute nadir in my opinion. changing the solo on celebration day to an inferior one, an incomplete black dog, the complete f*ck up of the no quarter solo, the horrendous clanking edit in dazed and confused, and isn't there a dodgy splice in whole lotta love as well. just f*cking awful on the plus side of course we got the missing songs which was fantastic, but in many ways instead of improving upon the original release they made it more disappointing. I cannot think of any other album by a major band with such amateur editing what Page was thinking is beyond me and why didn't someone say "er. jimmy, have you cleaned your ears recently, some of the edits sound horrendous mate"

I went to every Glastonbury between '86 and '04 bar one. I always thought that what really changed it was putting on TV. I can understand why they did but the changes in people started around then with more and more people seeming intent just to get on TV while sitting on someone's shoulders and acting like everyone else they seen on tv the year before. with more years of tv then we got the hairdressers, secretaries, chavs, Jemimas and Tarquins moving in and taking over. however it still is the greatest place for me. I wouldn't go again but those that do still probably have the time of their lives, but its unlikely to involve scrumpy, opium balls, naked people, hippies, rastas and travellers, but then nothing stays the same and not should it.

the quote from Page about this was stated some time after the split if I remember rightly and there's no guarantee at all it would have happened. Would Page and jones wanted to revert back to a riff based album after their taking more control on ITTOD? maybe not. and of course there's the chance that Page was fried out his brains when he said this and it was just something he said in passing that has a lot more speculation put on it than it really deserves

I saw the Who on their first tour after Moon had died (1980/81 I forget which) with Kenney Jones filling in. I love Jones' work in the Faces but he just didn't fit in with the Who at all, in my opinion, and it wasn't very enjoyable at all. I passed on every other tour after that