nirvana Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Watching Celebration Day DVD - again.... I notice at the end of the Dazed and Confused violin bow section with Jimmy... The green laser light pyramid rotating around him stops, stays fully lit and in place as the eerie green geometric shape it is - high above Jimmy. Odd thing is Jimmy walks out of the pyramid at that point...normally he will wait until the laser pyramid has been shut down before continuing his solo! I believe there is great significance to him walking out of the still energized laser lights. If you look closely at the part of the video where he comes out and tosses his violin bow he does it with purpose and intention. Not an accident. Some may say he was pissed because of the problems with the lasers and effects at that point but look close and you will see him deliberately stepping out of the green pyramid and tossing his bow. He never had done this in all the Zeppelin years previously...he always waited until the lasers went out to move around the stage, and he never threw his bow. Very symbolic and significant of him to do this at that point. It does have clear meaning on certain levels of ritual attainment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glyn Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 His bow solo was riddled with feedback due to the sound man turning up his monitors, probably pissed him off. If I remember correctly, the laser pyramid was off sync with the solo too (came on late). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom kid Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 He was just pissed off that he couldn't really hear what he was doing. Also, why did you post this in the 'News' section? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nirvana Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 He was just pissed off that he couldn't really hear what he was doing. Also, why did you post this in the 'News' section? My bad....you ever make a mistake before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagittarius Rising Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 My bad....you ever make a mistake before? Everyone makes mistakes, Tom was simply pointing it out for instructional purposes. Try not to take everything so personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Another nirvana conspiracy theory which doesn't withstand the slightest scrutiny. The bow solo that night was plagued by technical difficulties. If it was meant to be symbolic of having deliberately brought Led Zeppelin to a close (or whatever) he wouldn't have wasted most of 2008 hoping for a reformation of the band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nirvana Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 Another nirvana conspiracy theory which doesn't withstand the slightest scrutiny. The bow solo that night was plagued by technical difficulties. If it was meant to be symbolic of having deliberately brought Led Zeppelin to a close (or whatever) he wouldn't have wasted most of 2008 hoping for a reformation of the band. Steven A Jones...of all people to say that my thoughts here are another conspiracy theory. Mr. Jones who runs the Zeppelin "Mysteries" thread, Mr. Jones who is the self proclaimed "Alchemist Archivist", Mr. Jones who is well versed in Thelemic Theory and the O.T.O., now says that MY thoughts are another conspiracy thread! Really Steven....really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillumpuffer Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Steven A Jones...of all people to say that my thoughts here are another conspiracy theory. Mr. Jones who runs the Zeppelin "Mysteries" thread, Mr. Jones who is the self proclaimed "Alchemist Archivist", Mr. Jones who is well versed in Thelemic Theory and the O.T.O., now says that MY thoughts are another conspiracy thread! Really Steven....really? Ouch !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) Steven A Jones...of all people to say that my thoughts here are another conspiracy theory. Mr. Jones who runs the Zeppelin "Mysteries" thread, Mr. Jones who is the self proclaimed "Alchemist Archivist", Mr. Jones who is well versed in Thelemic Theory and the O.T.O., now says that MY thoughts are another conspiracy thread! Really Steven....really? Oh, brother. Where to begin? Firstly, my name is not Steven. Secondly, I don't run any threads I merely contribute to them. Thirdly, I'm not really a self proclaimed Alchemist's Archivist, I am one. Finally, I didn't say all your thoughts are conspiracy theories, but this particular topic reads like one and as such it doesn't withstand the slightest scrutiny. For what it's worth, I did find your original post interesting within the context of ritual magic, worthwhile enough to investigate further and ultimately comment upon. Edited October 25, 2013 by SteveAJones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth and beauty Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Thankyou both Steve and Nirvana .. it would be fascinating to know if this has any ritual significance. It would be somewhat less than fascinating if he was just a bit pissed off with technical problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nirvana Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share Posted October 26, 2013 Im convinced that the one thing that did go right with the laser pyramid that night was that it stopped and stayed lit until Jimmy intentionally walked through it...in magical terms this is the equivalent of stepping out of a mystic circle or the highest level of attainment in a ritual. Once free of its protective properties - there is no higher level. The magician has become the heirophant - hence the number 6 has been attained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 2:25 to 3:40...leaving the pyramid...casting aside the bow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 The hierophant's roots reach deep, entwined around secrets and traditions of the ages. He believes in ritual and ceremony. He believes in pursuing knowledge and deeper meaning, and believes in the rigidity of a belief system. He is a teacher who can help unravel mysteries. It is also time to review any rules, restrictions, or limitations you have put around your current situation. Make sure your rules are fair to everyone involved. This can lift blocks you may be experiencing on the manifestation of your goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rover Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) Im convinced that the one thing that did go right with the laser pyramid that night was that it stopped and stayed lit until Jimmy intentionally walked through it...in magical terms this is the equivalent of stepping out of a mystic circle or the highest level of attainment in a ritual. Once free of its protective properties - there is no higher level. The magician has become the heirophant - hence the number 6 has been attained. 6's & 7's Edited October 26, 2013 by The Rover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slave to zep Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Steven A Jones...of all people to say that my thoughts here are another conspiracy theory. Mr. Jones who runs the Zeppelin "Mysteries" thread, Mr. Jones who is the self proclaimed "Alchemist Archivist", Mr. Jones who is well versed in Thelemic Theory and the O.T.O., now says that MY thoughts are another conspiracy thread! Really Steven....really? it probably was just mistakes, but who knows for sure? only the guys, or maybe only Jimmy. don't let saj get you down, he is like this to people who dare to have different views to his. i did that, and now i am one of the lucky ones to be on his permanent ignore list as far as i know, you can and should have your own views on things. i hate it when others try to push things down your throat when in reality they don't know the answers 100% either..... and according to sam, he doesn't have any connections to the band, so he is just a member of this forum like the rest of us, and that still makes him a self-proclaimed archivist - not one sanctioned by the band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 6's & 7's To be "at sixes and sevens" is a British idiom used to describe a state of confusion or disarray. The phrase probably derives from a complicated dice game called "hazard". It is thought that the expression was originally "to set on cinq and six" (from the French numerals for five and six). These were considered to be the riskiest numbers to shoot for (to "set on"), and those who tried for them were considered careless or confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth and beauty Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Hmm ok .. I can see that the step out of the pyramid seems very deliberate. The casting away of the bow happens much later and seems more casually done. Any thoughts about why the two gestures might be linked... or about the bow gesture ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) Hmm ok .. I can see that the step out of the pyramid seems very deliberate. The casting away of the bow happens much later and seems more casually done. Any thoughts about why the two gestures might be linked... or about the bow gesture ? I must say it is the only time I can recall Jimmy continuing to bow outside of the pyramid when the pyramid was used during the performance. I like this idea that his purposeful departure and casting the bow aside was rooted in ritual, if only that it reminds us there are so few rock artists that even inspire such notions. However, the more I think about it the more convinced I am that it was done for the sake of affording the fans an opportunity to see Jimmy with the bow better right there at center stage and for the photographers (and film maker) to get clearer snaps/images of the same. Edited October 26, 2013 by SteveAJones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth and beauty Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I must say it is the only time I can recall Jimmy continuing to bow outside of the pyramid when the pyramid was used during the performance. I like this idea that his purposeful departure and casting the bow aside was rooted in ritual, if only that it reminds us there are so few rock artists that even inspire such notions. However, the more I think about it the more convinced I am that it was done for the sake of affording the fans an opportunity to see Jimmy with the bow better right there at center stage and for the photographers (and film maker) to get clearer snaps/images of the same. Steve, well put, that has the ring of truth and common sense. Though I'm saying that with some regret: the ritual theory is a far more enticing one ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nirvana Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 2:25 to 3:40...leaving the pyramid...casting aside the bow The Celebration Day DVD camera angles are much better at showing Jimmy leaving the laser pyramid. One camera angle particularly shows Jimmy stepping intently out of the square formed on stage by the lasers. He doesn't look upset by the faulty laser and ice effects. He continues playing the violin bow outside the pyramid for a few moments then tosses his bow aside - make what you will of this but it all is intentional - for whatever reason. I choose to believe it was ritualistic on Jimmy's part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayley10 Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 It was a one-off. Throwing a bow into the audience. For f*ck sake. How many performers don't throw something into the audience? Peter Townsend threw an SG guitar. Larry Mullen Jr. of U2 threw the bongo he used on "I'll Go Crazy If I Don't Go Crazy Tonigt" into the audience every night. No importance whatsoever. But walking out of the pyramid? Hmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nirvana Posted November 2, 2013 Author Share Posted November 2, 2013 (edited) If I'm not mistaken Jimmy did not toss his bow into the audience. ..he tossed it back toward his amplifier stacks and his assistant picked it up. Edited November 2, 2013 by nirvana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glyn Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 Before any of this happens Page turns and spits over his shoulder (likely towards a guitar/laser tech). Is there any reason we are ignoring this action? Then he walks out of the laser pyramid and throws his bow in the same general direction in which he spit earlier. I still think he was irritated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Before any of this happens Page turns and spits over his shoulder (likely towards a guitar/laser tech). Is there any reason we are ignoring this action? Then he walks out of the laser pyramid and throws his bow in the same general direction in which he spit earlier. I still think he was irritated. Where does this occur on the tape? It doesn't seem to happen at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nirvana Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 I cant imagine Jimmy Page "spitting" at anyone - even in anger! I just don't see the spitting on the dvd at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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