kingzoso Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 ... great movie/documentary. Also, perhaps the real end of the 1960's concept of "Peace and Love" that was actually filmed and documented for the world to see firsthand. Any opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Here is my comment: The Hells Angels suck, always have, always will and...what on earth were the Stones thinking hiring a criminal organization as a security force? Having the HA work security at a rock concert full of hippies in 69' was akin to contracting with the Klan to police a Black Pride Parade. I tell you this, if this happened today Mick and the boys would be cleaning out porno booths for a living after the families of the killed and injured parties were done suing them for all their loot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 ... great movie/documentary. Also, perhaps the real end of the 1960's concept of "Peace and Love" that was actually filmed and documented for the world to see firsthand. Any opinions? One could argue Altamont marked the end of '60s era Peace & Love, but I'd say drug abuse (LSD & Acid among others) during the Summer of Love in '67 and the escalation of the Vietnam War had already long since doomed that unrealistic socialist Utopian ideal. George Harrison has described how San Francisco was overrun with dull and dirty hippie youth when he returned in '67: We were expecting Haight-Ashbury to be special, a creative and artistic place, filled with Beautiful People, but it was horrible - full of ghastly drop-outs, bums and spotty youths, all out of their brains. Everybody looked stoned - even mothers and babies - and they were so close behind us they were treading on the backs of our heels. http://www.beatlesbible.com/1967/08/07/george-harrison-visits-haight-ashbury-san-francisco/ I'll tell you what I do think Altamont marked the end of and that is Mick Jagger as a menacing figure in popular music. Don't get me wrong, I rate Mick very highly to this day, but he had been cultivating a Satanic mystique for years. However, when confronted that night with the face of real evil, he wilted like a flower, mustering up nothing more than a powerless plea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamont_Free_Concert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 One could argue Altamont marked the end of '60s era Peace & Love, but I'd say drug abuse (LSD & Acid among others) during the Summer of Love in '67 and the escalation of the Vietnam War had already long since doomed that unrealistic socialist Utopian ideal. George Harrison has described how San Francisco was overrun with dull and dirty hippie youth when he returned in '67: We were expecting Haight-Ashbury to be special, a creative and artistic place, filled with Beautiful People, but it was horrible - full of ghastly drop-outs, bums and spotty youths, all out of their brains. Everybody looked stoned - even mothers and babies - and they were so close behind us they were treading on the backs of our heels. http://www.beatlesbible.com/1967/08/07/george-harrison-visits-haight-ashbury-san-francisco/ I'll tell you what I do think Altamont marked the end of and that is Mick Jagger as a menacing figure in popular music. Don't get me wrong, I rate Mick very highly to this day, but he had been cultivating a Satanic mystique for years. However, when confronted that night with the face of real evil, he wilted like a flower, mustering up nothing more than a powerless plea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamont_Free_Concert You had me up until the part about socialistic utopian ideal, but guess you could not help yourself. Hippies were no more socialistic than Nazi's were for laissez faire capitalism. Hippies and the commune idea was an experiment in pure communism, and as most found out, humans are not socially evolved enough (just like Marx said) to put into workable practice for any long term. After all, you cannot claim to be a true communist and then steal from your neighbor, or keep the best weed for yourself. The rest of the post is spot on though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Only Way To Fly Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 "Why are we fighting... Who's fighting and what for (my bike blew up)"...... Its been a long time since I've seen the film or read the book about Altamont. If I remember correctly the Stones used the Hells Angles because they had used them for security in Europe/UK without any incidents. Turned out the Angles in the US are a lot different than the Angles in Europe/UK. Its a masterwork of film for sure. The Dead showed up but decided not to play after Marty got punched in the face & a chubby naked guy got cracked with a pool Que... Later on that guy Meredith Hunter was stabbed & all caught on film. I understand he was buried in an unmarked grave and his story was also made into a pretty good documentary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagefan55 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 ^^^ Good posts, SAJ and IpMan. I've known several older ex-hippies who used to live on communes, and they've told me hilarious (and often sad) stories regarding the problems they encountered on communes --i.e -- the rampant egos, personality conflicts, theft problems, sexual jealousy issues, etc. One of my theories regarding the hippie movement -- and one shared by a former hippie I know -- is that the whole movement was ruined by an influx of "lower-class" people into the movement. Such people -- call them "the masses", the "proles", the "riff-raff" or what have you -- ruined everything. The hippie movement seemed to briefly enjoy a certain period of success when it's memberhip was largely confined to the sons and daughters of upper and upper-middle class families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Walter Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 ^ "Disturbance" seemed to be a popular song they broke into at various points of the set that fateful night! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Duck Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 ^^^ Good posts, SAJ and IpMan. I've known several older ex-hippies who used to live on communes, and they've told me hilarious (and often sad) stories regarding the problems they encountered on communes --i.e -- the rampant egos, personality conflicts, theft problems, sexual jealousy issues, etc. One of my theories regarding the hippie movement -- and one shared by a former hippie I know -- is that the whole movement was ruined by an influx of "lower-class" people into the movement. Such people -- call them "the masses", the "proles", the "riff-raff" or what have you -- ruined everything. The hippie movement seemed to briefly enjoy a certain period of success when it's memberhip was largely confined to the sons and daughters of upper and upper-middle class families. If the hippie movement couldn't survive the participation of working class people then it wasn't as progressive as its founders imagined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 If the hippie movement couldn't survive the participation of working class people then it wasn't as progressive as its founders imagined. When anything goes, everything usually does. Tune In, Turn On, Drop Out is nothing more than a recipe for self-destruction. Aside from that, I can't imagine the naivety one must possess to embrace the inherent pacifism of Flower Power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bitnogoodjive Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 RIP Albert Maysles http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/07/movies/albert-maysles-pioneering-documentarian-dies-at-88.html?_r=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebk Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 RIP Albert Maysles http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/07/movies/albert-maysles-pioneering-documentarian-dies-at-88.html?_r=1 I was just coming here to post that. Heard this story on NPR... http://www.npr.org/2015/03/06/391269387/albert-maysles-pioneering-documentary-filmmaker-dies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletMacaw Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 "Gimme Shelter" is possibly the best documentary film I have ever seen. I'm going to play devil's advocate for real and stand up for the Hell's Angels. Somebody tried to shoot at the stage and they killed him without killing or injuring any innocent bystanders. If the NYPD had been in charge, they would have fired a hail of bullets, possibly hit the perpetrator along with a number of innocent bystanders. The Hell's Angels did what they were hired to do. There wasn't enough security for the enormous number of audience members who had no respect for each other or the performers and were wacked out on drugs. I don't know what type of security organization would have kept that crowd under control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 If the hippie movement couldn't survive the participation of working class people then it wasn't as progressive as its founders imagined. You just can't fight human nature, the Star Trek ideal utopia is just too far out of reach for our egos. We must have winners & losers to make us feel better, it is unfortunately that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babysquid Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I did post about this earlier. We hear so much about Altamont killing the sixties, but I wonder did anybody go to that concert, remain oblivious to all the shit that was going down and end up actually having a good time. I regards to who killed the '60s my money is on The Band. George Harrison gets into The Band, stops being psychedelic and fun, becomes boring, earnest and joins Delaney and Bonnie, Eric Clapton goes to meet them, stops being psychedelic and fun, becomes boring, earnest and joins Delaney and Bonnie. Everything they supposedly influenced seemed to turn to to bland. You might have guessed I'm not a fan! Regarding Altamont again had anyone read Sam Cutlers book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Cutler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef free Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 The "Sixties" was a just fad by the time Time magazine presented the "Summer of Love" in 1967. Every disaffected young person in this country went to San Francisco, grew their hair long, scored some love beads and thought they were going to join a psychedelic rock and roll band. Check out Frank Zappa's Flower Punk for more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoVpJDZPvms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmie ray Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I will always love the music of Jefferson Airplane and Grateful Dead, in spite of the fallacies of that scene, and how dopey these hippies look, now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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