MrZoSo Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 My point is Knebby is privy to those details and I would take her word for it concerning Pictures at Eleven or any of Robert's other solo efforts. As for Hiburn, he had it out for Zeppelin from day one. Even when they were The Kings of the LA concert scene, he brought his axe to the concert and used it in his reviews. No problem Steve. It was satire on my end. Had nothing to do with what we were talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 It is your choice to ignore, it wasn't meant to accuse it was meant to be absurd. So you did get the point. I never said Robert does not write lyrics on a personal level. Infact my original point was, he changed the words in Carouselambra to show his feelings at the present. It's my opinion he did this, not that I am stating fact. Even if I knew it was, this is not the place to air it. Absolutely nothing personal. If I came off in a personal manner, please except my apology. Actually, I love being able to converse with someone like yourself who's great wealth of knowledge I can learn from. And I have. I respect you and your opinion, Knebby. Doesn't mean we will always agree. Thank you for the offer. Happy New Year, Blessings to you, and your family, and I look forward to discussing other subjects to share our thoughts on, in the future. Regards Cheers for a lovely lovely post - quite makes my New Year preparations - and I recognise and appreciate your points. Here's to a good night and a fabulous year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrZoSo Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Cheers for a lovely lovely post - quite makes my New Year preparations - and I recognise and appreciate your points. Here's to a good night and a fabulous year. Wow, what a babe. Same to you. Enjoy the festivities. I myself, am ready to rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MS1 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Oh, I don't see that at all. Clearly, it's more like Jimmy joined Robert's line-up. Even the locations used in the Unledded film are arguably more meaningful to Robert than Jimmy. It was Jimmy who called upon Robert, who held all the cards. Yup. In 1998, when they toured as a four piece plus Phil Andrews, it's more like they were doing Jimmy's thing, more the original Zep type lineup. And at that point Robert lost interest, for a decade at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrZoSo Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Yup. In 1998, when they toured as a four piece plus Phil Andrews, it's more like they were doing Jimmy's thing, more the original Zep type lineup. And at that point Robert lost interest, for a decade at least. In 98 they drew strongly on WIC material live. And it was clear you could hear Jimmys influence. The songs (like Heart In Your Hand,WIC, ect) took on a new power then the studio versions. They came alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunChild Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 L.A. Times columnist Robert Hilburn was always among Zeppelin's biggest critics in America and I'm reminded of a scathing review he wrote for Pictures at Eleven. He dismissed it as whiny, narcisstic and self-indulgent. A classic example of someone completely failing to get or even remotely understand an album because they had no awareness or interest in the events within the life of the artist. Don't know or care about Robert Hilburn per se, but, it is perfectly legitimate to judge art or music without prior, or any, knowledge of the artist's personal life. In fact I would argue it's not art at all if you have to know about the person to appreciate the work -that's friendship. The best work speaks to the universal even if it starts in the personal. "My duty as an artist is to overcome and alleviate the sterility of despair." - David Hockney. Donning flame proof PJs to say this - sometimes Plant is, in fact, whiny, narcissistic and self-indulgent (it wasn't the critics who first referred to him as a Golden God, was it?) It could be argued that "Raising Sand" is perhaps his first full foray into not being any of those things (though I know full well this is not the forum to argue that...) I hasten to add, he has done other work that is devastating, beautiful, and powerful. Also, much that is fun, silly and sexy. Anyway, I may become interested in the person after I am touched by the art, but it's completely possible to be touched by art without knowing or particularly wanting to know the first thing about the artist. "Noone looks up at the ceiling in the Sistine Chapel and says 'what an asshole that Michealangelo was' " - person whose name I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrZoSo Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Don't know or care about Robert Hilburn per se, but, it is perfectly legitimate to judge art or music without prior, or any, knowledge of the artist's personal life. In fact I would argue it's not art at all if you have to know about the person to appreciate the work -that's friendship. The best work speaks to the universal even if it starts in the personal. "My duty as an artist is to overcome and alleviate the sterility of despair." - David Hockney. Donning flame proof PJs to say this - sometimes Plant is, in fact, whiny, narcissistic and self-indulgent (it wasn't the critics who first referred to him as a Golden God, was it?) It could be argued that "Raising Sand" is perhaps his first full foray into not being any of those things (though I know full well this is not the forum to argue that...) I hasten to add, he has done other work that is devastating, beautiful, and powerful. Also, much that is fun, silly and sexy. Anyway, I may become interested in the person after I am touched by the art, but it's completely possible to be touched by art without knowing or particularly wanting to know the first thing about the artist. "Noone looks up at the ceiling in the Sistine Chapel and says 'what an asshole that Michealangelo was' " - person whose name I don't know. SunChild, You can sit in my lap, anytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Don't know or care about Robert Hilburn per se, but, it is perfectly legitimate to judge art or music without prior, or any, knowledge of the artist's personal life. In fact I would argue it's not art at all if you have to know about the person to appreciate the work -that's friendship. The best work speaks to the universal even if it starts in the personal. "My duty as an artist is to overcome and alleviate the sterility of despair." - David Hockney. Donning flame proof PJs to say this - sometimes Plant is, in fact, whiny, narcissistic and self-indulgent (it wasn't the critics who first referred to him as a Golden God, was it?) Actually it was. That's where he got the piss-take name from. Cheers mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lzfan715 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I thought he said it at Bonzo's birthday party. Something about palms trees and wanting people know exactly what he thought of himself. I don't remember exactly what happend. I think I read it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunChild Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 SunChild, You can sit in my lap, anytime. nuzzle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunChild Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 Actually it was. That's where he got the piss-take name from. Cheers mate. Happy New Year... OK, never knew that - are you up for sharing the details? I always thought he was standing on the balcony at the Riot House opining about himself. Funny how we get these notions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 Funny how we get these notions. What's funnier is he has said HE was the one to say it as you just described. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 He DID say it as described - but he was REPEATING what had been said about him. As I said before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunChild Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 He DID say it as described - but he was REPEATING what had been said about him. As I said before. Thanks for clearing that up. So, he was humbly bemused and "taking the piss" out of some hyperbolic, anonymous reporter or other human person from somewhere, who wrote, or said, at some place or other, some time or other, either seriously or snarkily, that Robert was a Golden God; and people have had the wrong idea about him ever since, probably because of the wide armed, chest thrust forward stance in the photo that tends to accompany the story, which regrettably belies his true winsomeness. Got it. (No wonder they hated the damn press.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 Thanks for clearing that up. So, he was humbly bemused and "taking the piss" out of some hyperbolic, anonymous reporter or other human person from somewhere, who wrote, or said, at some place or other, some time or other, either seriously or snarkily, that Robert was a Golden God; and people have had the wrong idea about him ever since, probably because of the wide armed, chest thrust forward stance in the photo that tends to accompany the story, which regrettably belies his true winsomeness. Got it. (No wonder they hated the damn press.) He has a sense of humour. Even about himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunChild Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 He has a sense of humour. Even about himself. A valuable trait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 A valuable trait. No kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protes Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 FWIW, I always felt there was a general element of sadness strewn across Robert's 'Pictures At Eleven.' In particular, Moonlight In Samosa - one of my favorite Plant solo songs BTW - was quite melancholy (although not necessarily about Bonzo). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydzephead Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Yes, Memory Song, from his solo recording Fate of Nations... Memory song is about Page. He 's screaming Jimmy at the end. I also read something about that previously a long time ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo the Rover Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I have no proof what so ever, but these lyrics always made me think Robert was singing about John, maybe they are random lyrics about those Robert has lost, or maybe just lyrics to a song with no back story at all...anyway.... And I open my eyes As the sun leaves the western sky Precious memory dies Once again you are here at my side Blow wind blow Through my heart let the four winds blow And I'm back on the hill Yes, you're gone but you're with me still Now I'm way down the line Yes, you're gone but you're still on my mind Blow wind blow Through my heart let the four winds blow I've been walkin' with strangers and talkin' all out of my mind Now the dogs in the manger, elusive and so hard to find Conversations with angels, I seek the dimensional key I been wheelin' and dealin' whatever will bring you to me Blow wind blow Through my heart let the four winds blow Blow wind blow Through my heart let the four winds blow I've been walkin' with strangers and talkin' all out of my mind Now the dogs in the manger, elusive and so hard to find Conversations with angels, I seek the dimensional key I been wheelin' and dealin' whatever will bring you to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reezon Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 One of the best threads I've read through in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reezon Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 FWIW, I always felt there was a general element of sadness strewn across Robert's 'Pictures At Eleven.' In particular, Moonlight In Samosa - one of my favorite Plant solo songs BTW - was quite melancholy (although not necessarily about Bonzo). I love that song too.I have an old Lisa Robinson interview with Robert when that album was released and he stated that Moonlight In Somosa was one of the few true love songs that he ever wrote.and put it in the same vein as The Rain Song and All My Love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 ^ Yeah lovely song. It's a shame that that love didn't last either but then there's always inspiration for a new song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunChild Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I have no proof what so ever, but these lyrics always made me think Robert was singing about John, maybe they are random lyrics about those Robert has lost, or maybe just lyrics to a song with no back story at all...anyway.... And I open my eyes As the sun leaves the western sky Precious memory dies Once again you are here at my side Blow wind blow Through my heart let the four winds blow And I'm back on the hill Yes, you're gone but you're with me still Now I'm way down the line Yes, you're gone but you're still on my mind Blow wind blow Through my heart let the four winds blow I've been walkin' with strangers and talkin' all out of my mind Now the dogs in the manger, elusive and so hard to find Conversations with angels, I seek the dimensional key I been wheelin' and dealin' whatever will bring you to me Blow wind blow Through my heart let the four winds blow Blow wind blow Through my heart let the four winds blow I've been walkin' with strangers and talkin' all out of my mind Now the dogs in the manger, elusive and so hard to find Conversations with angels, I seek the dimensional key I been wheelin' and dealin' whatever will bring you to me That's my take on this song too, Bilbo. It's got such a strong drum in it, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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