MrZoSo Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 Sorry but it really IS a sore subject. Since I have no personal knowledge of the subject, I won't dare say I know different. My opinion however is that at some point there was closure. I cannot see Robert reworking lyrics on such a sensitive subject to simply to entertain people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunChild Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 ... I've probably said enough as well. In keeping with Evster's wishes, I say no more. True enough, it's well in the past and hardly worth rehashing here. Have we determined if Plant ever wrote a song for Bonzo? I know what I think about "Four Winds" but that's just a personal interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indigomoonbeam Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Steve, the "Oh, Jimmyyy," line is on the fade out at the very end of "Calling To You," on "Fate of Nations," which is the song I always associated with being about Jimmy, rather than "Memory Song." I think the latter is about the demise of Zeppelin and that the "friend" who comes to him in his dreams is in fact Bonzo. I would agree that "Trouble Your Money," on "Shaken N' Stirred," is about Bonzo too. Indi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Steve, the "Oh, Jimmyyy," line is on the fade out at the very end of "Calling To You," on "Fate of Nations," which is the song I always associated with being about Jimmy, rather than "Memory Song." I think the latter is about the demise of Zeppelin and that the "friend" who comes to him in his dreams is in fact Bonzo. I would agree that "Trouble Your Money," on "Shaken N' Stirred," is about Bonzo too. Indi Yes, agreed on the Calling to You. He knew Jimmy was working with Coverdale. Good points on the other songs as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotplant Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Howz about "All of My Love"...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Howz about "All of My Love"...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotplant Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 That song concerns the loss of Karac and Robert's love for Maureen all the way thru "...he is a feather in the wind" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertPlantyoass Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I think Little by Little is about Bonham and or the loss of Zrppelin Little by little my heart grieves little by little I call your name little by little my tears fall little by little everything changes little by little the time goes little by little the days pass by little by little the air clears little by little I can breathe again back to the mirror your good friend talk to the mirror play out your game sat in the middle I stop then look at the winner the price you paid close the window i tremble love was a fall that had no end now little by little the air clears little by little i can breathe again I call your name call your name evreything changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I think Little by Little is about Bonham and or the loss of Zrppelin Little by little my heart grieves little by little I call your name little by little my tears fall little by little everything changes little by little the time goes little by little the days pass by little by little the air clears little by little I can breathe again back to the mirror your good friend talk to the mirror play out your game sat in the middle I stop then look at the winner the price you paid close the window i tremble love was a fall that had no end now little by little the air clears little by little i can breathe again I call your name call your name evreything changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I think Little by Little is about Bonham and or the loss of Zrppelin Little by little my heart grieves little by little I call your name little by little my tears fall little by little everything changes little by little the time goes little by little the days pass by little by little the air clears little by little I can breathe again back to the mirror your good friend talk to the mirror play out your game sat in the middle I stop then look at the winner the price you paid close the window i tremble love was a fall that had no end now little by little the air clears little by little i can breathe again I call your name call your name evreything changes Didn't that song come out around 1982 some time after Valentine's Day on Shaken and Stirred? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Didn't that song come out around 1982 some time after Valentine's Day on Shaken and Stirred? It was on Shaken and Stirred which was released in 1985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lzfan715 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 That song concerns the loss of Karac and Robert's love for Maureen all the way thru "...he is a feather in the wind" I know it isn't really my buisness, so I'm only looking for what has actually been said, but if he loved her "all the way thru", was the divorce her choice? Like I said, if it isn't in print or an interview, or the likes I don't want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I know it isn't really my buisness, so I'm only looking for what has actually been said, but if he loved her "all the way thru", was the divorce her choice? Like I said, if it isn't in print or an interview, or the likes I don't want to know. Nothing has ever been stated in any interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I know it isn't really my buisness, so I'm only looking for what has actually been said, but if he loved her "all the way thru", was the divorce her choice? Like I said, if it isn't in print or an interview, or the likes I don't want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Since I have no personal knowledge of the subject, I won't dare say I know different. My opinion however is that at some point there was closure. I cannot see Robert reworking lyrics on such a sensitive subject to simply to entertain people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Steve, the "Oh, Jimmyyy," line is on the fade out at the very end of "Calling To You," on "Fate of Nations," which is the song I always associated with being about Jimmy, rather than "Memory Song." I think the latter is about the demise of Zeppelin and that the "friend" who comes to him in his dreams is in fact Bonzo. I would agree that "Trouble Your Money," on "Shaken N' Stirred," is about Bonzo too. Indi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrZoSo Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Wow, have you never listened to 'The Principle of Moments'? A divorce is a pretty sensitive subject and yet it is all over that album to entertain us all. One of the things I really admire about Robert is that he never shrinks from laying bare THE most sensitive of issues in his lyrics - it's all there. Wow, you are comparing tragedy to make a point? Yes, I have listened to the principle of moments. No, I do not see Robert changing the words to a song to appease anyone but himself. It's an entirely different case, and does not warrant comparison. I do not claim to know what he thinks either, but IMO as stated before, this subject had to have closure. God forbid the world does not know about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 L.A. Times columnist Robert Hilburn was always among Zeppelin's biggest critics in America and I'm reminded of a scathing review he wrote for Pictures at Eleven. He dismissed it as whiny, narcisstic and self-indulgent. A classic example of someone completely failing to get or even remotely understand an album because they had no awareness or interest in the events within the life of the artist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave2007 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Or perhaps this one from 'I Believe', written about ten years prior for Karac: Big farm, on the top of a hill A hopeless gesture and last farewell I do like these interpretations. To my ears it's not "Big farm" it's "Big Fire on the top of a hill". In the video he also is seen burning the fire on the hill. I believe he once said he actually did this after Karacs death...the Viking funeral pyre etc hence the next line " hopeless gesture and last farewell" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 To my ears it's not "Big farm" it's "Big Fire on the top of a hill". In the video he also is seen burning the fire on the hill. I believe he once said he actually did this after Karacs death...the Viking funeral pyre etc hence the next line " hopeless gesture and last farewell" See my post at the top of the previous page Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave2007 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 See my post at the top of the previous page Dave. oops,,,,no more alcohol for me...until next year. happy new year Knebby ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrZoSo Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 L.A. Times columnist Robert Hilburn was always among Zeppelin's biggest critics in America and I'm reminded of a scathing review he wrote for Pictures at Eleven. He dismissed it as whiny, narcisstic and self-indulgent. A classic example of someone completely failing to get or even remotely understand an album because they had no awareness or interest in the events within the life of the artist. Maybe if the writer would have taken the time to wear something nice, and wait outside of a hotel, or inside it's lobby, or bar, on some particular evening when he (or she) knew the artist was in town, they could have had the oppportunity to sit in his lap, and now be on text message terms. This would have given the writer a deep knowledge of the artist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Wow, you are comparing tragedy to make a point? Yes, I have listened to the principle of moments. No, I do not see Robert changing the words to a song to appease anyone but himself. It's an entirely different case, and does not warrant comparison. I do not claim to know what he thinks either, but IMO as stated before, this subject had to have closure. God forbid the world does not know about it. I'm going to ignore the absurd 'comparing tragedies' accusation - my point was that Plant writes lyrics about INTENSLEY personal topics all the time. You said you didn't believe that he would use a situation to entertain people (via lyrics) - my point was he does it all the time. And he does. I don't believe he looks on his lyrics as mere 'entertainment' And having talked with him about this very subject, I will happily claim that I know what he thinks about it. And I'll claim that to anyone who wants to come at me about it too. Nothing personal in this discussion between us - I hope you accept this New Year toast as a gesture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrZoSo Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I'm going to ignore the absurd 'comparing tragedies' accusation - my point was that Plant writes lyrics about INTENSLEY personal topics all the time. You said you didn't believe that he would use a situation to entertain people (via lyrics) - my point was he does it all the time. And he does. I don't believe he looks on his lyrics as mere 'entertainment' And having talked with him about this very subject, I will happily claim that I know what he thinks about it. And I'll claim that to anyone who wants to come at me about it too. Nothing personal in this discussion between us - I hope you accept this New Year toast as a gesture. It is your choice to ignore, it wasn't meant to accuse it was meant to be absurd. So you did get the point. I never said Robert does not write lyrics on a personal level. Infact my original point was, he changed the words in Carouselambra to show his feelings at the present. It's my opinion he did this, not that I am stating fact. Even if I knew it was, this is not the place to air it. Absolutely nothing personal. If I came off in a personal manner, please except my apology. Actually, I love being able to converse with someone like yourself who's great wealth of knowledge I can learn from. And I have. I respect you and your opinion, Knebby. Doesn't mean we will always agree. Thank you for the offer. Happy New Year, Blessings to you, and your family, and I look forward to discussing other subjects to share our thoughts on, in the future. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Maybe if the writer would have taken the time to wear something nice, and wait outside of a hotel, or inside it's lobby, or bar, on some particular evening when he (or she) knew the artist was in town, they could have had the oppportunity to sit in his lap, and now be on text message terms. This would have given the writer a deep knowledge of the artist. My point is Knebby is privy to those details and I would take her word for it concerning Pictures at Eleven or any of Robert's other solo efforts. As for Hiburn, he had it out for Zeppelin from day one. Even when they were The Kings of the LA concert scene, he brought his axe to the concert and used it in his reviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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