NickZepp Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Capitalism is the reason there have been more major inventions the last 2-300 years then there was the previous 5,000 years men were around. Capitalism does have it's greed which is bad but it leads to a lot more positive than any other systems with one group of leaders and everyone else just being 'happy' with it. Which has never really happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Capitalism is wonderful, but not if you are the one who loses at the game of monopoly and gets stuck sleeping on a park bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickZepp Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Capitalism is wonderful, but not if you are the one who loses at the game of monopoly and gets stuck sleeping on a park bench. Difference is that you have a chance to get better in capitalism. In every other system if you are poor you will always be poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I do hope that all those good capitalists out there don't mind if the American taxpayers get some value for their dollar so they can skip all the foreclosures and evictions and go back to having enough to keep a roof over their heads. I mean, as long as the U.S. Treasury happens to be giving all of our tax dollars that we earned through our labor to any greedy, corrupt corporation that comes along and smiles at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickZepp Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I do hope that all those good capitalists out there don't mind if the American taxpayers get some value for their dollar so they can skip all the foreclosures and evictions and go back to having enough to keep a roof over their heads. I mean, as long as the U.S. Treasury happens to be giving all of our tax dollars that we earned through our labor to any greedy, corrupt corporation that comes along and smiles at them. Your problems are with the government not capitalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Capitalism is not a panacea, especially if the bank forecloses and auctions your home from underneath you, unemployment has risen to between 10-20%, while 3% of the population takes in 97% of the wealth. You gotta watch those numbers sometimes and the way they impact people. I have won playing Monopoly many times, and each time all the other players had to lose if I was going to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzldoc Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Hi ET, Thanks for your prompt reply, i still dont get the connection between my post and this link, please fill me in as it seems that Charles's Humour isnt traveling to well across the ocean at the moment, might be me, i admit that, but it would sure be helpful if he and others like him would state in word of no more than two syllables when adressing "Stupid" people like myself, what they actually mean wouldnt it? Again thanks ET, Kind Regards, Danny Probably would be better stated that intelligent people make money from ignorant people. Life is like a shit sandwich the more bread you have the less shit you have to eat. You reap what you sow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Madoff certainly made money off people, but I don't know if it took much intelligence on his part to run a Ponzi scheme that bilked large sums from retirees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzldoc Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3ORwO5xDUE Madoff certainly made money off people, but I don't know if it took much intelligence on his part to run a Ponzi scheme that bilked large sums from retirees. That guy was a criminal and it was probably greed on the part of the victims or their ignorance that got them into trouble. We have to remain vigilant to the bad guys out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Oh that's right, blame the victim. That's just vicious. Hey fellas have you heard the news you know that Annie's back in town the woman who came along just to watch and see all the fellas lay their money down her salary's new but the pay's the same as it was so long ago but from her eyes a different smile like that of one who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzldoc Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Oh that's right, blame the victim. That's just vicious. No, maybe I came across the wrong way. Just saying life is full of pitfalls and we have to look out for our selves. I've been taken before because of my ignorance, just recently I ordered 1000 rounds for my 9mm and I recieved a 20lb box of lead. Because of my carelessness I ordered bullets instead of cartridges and now i'm stuck with $200.00 worth of useless lead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock N' Rollin' Man Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 More wood for this fire. http://americangrandjury.org/lucas-smith-affidavit-now-filed-with-the-us-district-court-obama-kenyan-bc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangani Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I've always supported Socialism, i am not a Lover of Communisum, Nazism, Facism or Capitalism, but Socialism seems like the others, not to be able to work in this world, or others wont let it work, but for me it is still the Best Alternative to the Corruption we call "Capitalism". Just my honest opinion, Regards, Danny There are pluses and minuses in both socialism and capitalism. I can see the benefits in each and I can also see the flaws in each. Which is why I remain strictly in the middle. I don't favour extremes of either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDAN Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 There are pluses and minuses in both socialism and capitalism. I can see the benefits in each and I can also see the flaws in each. Which is why I remain strictly in the middle. I don't favour extremes of either. Mangani, I like you mate. Now that sounds good too me, a Slice of Socialism with a Dash of Capitalism, only thing is, in a Pragmatic World you only get what the Rich and Powerful care to give you. And in Truth they have always Ruled, and they always will. If ever someone that is there for the Good of the People got or gets in to "Power" and the "Capitalists" feel threatened then that Person will either be Killed Off, Brought Off or Scandalised so as he or she has to Resign. My mind is not in conflict, i know the Poor will always remain Poor and the Rich will get Richer, thats the Nature of Humanity, it isnt Humane. And thats why there will always be War, and Terrorism will increase. So all you Good Old Capitalists remember this, dont Cry the next time one of your Buildings gets hit by an Aeroplane, or one of your Ships Disapears without a Trace, or a Suicide Bomber takes out a Shopping Mall, because all those Peoples Blood, and all those Tax Dollars to Replace what was Lost (and i know that the Dollars hurt more than the Blood) will be on Your Concience and not Mine. Regards, Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 So all you Good Old Capitalists remember this, dont Cry the next time one of your Buildings gets hit by an Aeroplane, or one of your Ships Disapears without a Trace, or a Suicide Bomber takes out a Shopping Mall, because all those Peoples Blood, and all those Tax Dollars to Replace what was Lost (and i know that the dollars hurt more than the Blood) will be on Your Concience and not Mine. Inflammatory, stunningly ignorant rhetoric three days from the eighth anniversary of those brutal attacks. Why not add "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" so your circle jerk of faulty reasoning will be complete? Take note such barbarism is actually rooted in religious conflict, not politics or economics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 What Do the Terrorists Want? A Caliphate by Daniel Pipes New York Sun July 26, 2005 What do Islamist terrorists want? The answer should be obvious, but it is not. A generation ago, terrorists did make clear their wishes. Upon hijacking three airliners in September 1970, for example, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine demanded, with success, the release of Arab terrorists imprisoned in Britain, Switzerland, and West Germany. Upon attacking the B'nai B'rith headquarters and two other Washington, D.C. buildings in 1977, a Hanafi Muslim group demanded the canceling of a feature movie, Mohammad, Messenger of God," $750 (as reimbursement for a fine), the turning over of the five men who had massacred the Hanafi leader's family, plus the killer of Malcolm X. Such "non-negotiable demands" led to wrenching hostage dramas and attendant policy dilemmas. "We will never negotiate with terrorists," the policymakers declared "Give them Hawaii but get my husband back," pleaded the hostages' wives. Those days are so remote and their terminology so forgotten that even President Bush now speaks of "non-negotiable demands" (in his case, concerning human dignity), forgetting the deadly origins of this phrase. Most anti-Western terrorist attacks these days are perpetrated without demands being enunciated. Bombs go off, planes get hijacked and crashed into buildings, hotels collapse. The dead are counted. Detectives trace back the perpetrators' identities. Shadowy websites make post-hoc unauthenticated claims. But the reasons for the violence go unexplained. Analysts, including myself, are left speculating about motives. These can relate to terrorists' personal grievances based in poverty, prejudice, or cultural alienation. Alternately, an intention to change international policy can be seen as a motive: pulling "a Madrid" and getting governments to withdraw their troops from Iraq; convincing Americans to leave Saudi Arabia; ending American support for Israel; pressuring New Delhi to cede control of all Kashmir. Any of these motives could have contributed to the violence; as London's Daily Telegraph puts it, problems in Iraq and Afghanistan each added "a new pebble to the mountain of grievances that militant fanatics have erected." Yet neither is decisive to giving up one's life for the sake of killing others. In nearly all cases, the jihadi terrorists have a patently self-evident ambition: to establish a world dominated by Muslims, Islam, and Islamic law, the Shari'a. Or, again to cite the Daily Telegraph, their "real project is the extension of the Islamic territory across the globe, and the establishment of a worldwide ‘caliphate' founded on Shari'a law." Terrorists openly declare this goal. The Islamists who assassinated Anwar el-Sadat in 1981 decorated their holding cages with banners proclaiming the "caliphate or death." A biography of one of the most influential Islamist thinkers of recent times and an influence on Osama bin Laden, Abdullah Azzam declares that his life "revolved around a single goal, namely the establishment of Allah's Rule on earth" and restoring the caliphate. Bin Laden himself spoke of ensuring that "the pious caliphate will start from Afghanistan." His chief deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, also dreamed of re-establishing the caliphate, for then, he wrote, "history would make a new turn, God willing, in the opposite direction against the empire of the United States and the world's Jewish government." Another Al-Qaeda leader, Fazlur Rehman Khalil, publishes a magazine that has declared "Due to the blessings of jihad, America's countdown has begun. It will declare defeat soon," to be followed by the creation of a caliphate. Or, as Mohammed Bouyeri wrote in the note he attached to the corpse of Theo van Gogh, the Dutch filmmaker he had just assassinated, "Islam will be victorious through the blood of martyrs who spread its light in every dark corner of this earth." Interestingly, van Gogh's murderer was frustrated by the mistaken motives attributed to him, insisting at his trial: "I did what I did purely out of my beliefs. I want you to know that I acted out of conviction and not that I took his life because he was Dutch or because I was Moroccan and felt insulted." Although terrorists state their jihadi motives loudly and clearly, Westerners and Muslims alike too often fail to hear them. Islamic organizations, Canadian author Irshad Manji observes, pretend that "Islam is an innocent bystander in today's terrorism." What the terrorists want is abundantly clear. It requires monumental denial not to acknowledge it, but we Westerners have risen to the challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDAN Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Inflammatory, stunningly ignorant rhetoric three days from the eight anniversary of those brutal attacks. Why not add "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" so your circle jerk of faulty reasoning will be complete? Take note such babarism is actually rooted in religious conflict, not politics or economics. Hi Steve, YOU OLD CAPITALIST YOU. "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" That Good enough for You? And while we are on the subject, and while we grieve at those losses, the Muslim World will be celebrateing, how you gonna fix that Steve, theres more Terrorism Commited by the US that the rest of the World put together, and thats a fact. 1952 - 79, 70,000 Iranians killed. ( Ayatollah Khomeini, US public enemy for the 1980s, was on the CIA payroll while in exile in Paris in 1970s, as were Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden at different times and in different places. ) 1954 - 120,000 Guatemalans killed 1954 - 1975, 4,000,000 Vietnamese and Cambodians killed. 1965 - 3,000 Dominican Republicans killed 1965 - 800,000 Indonesians killed 1973 - 30,000 Chileans killed 1975 - 250,000 East Timorese killed 1970s - 1,000,000 Angolans killed 1984 - 30,000 Nicaraguans killed 1980s - 80,000 El Salvadoreans killed 1989 - 8,000 Panamanians killed in an attempt to capture George H. Bush's CIA partner now turned enemy, Manuel Noriega, 1980s - over 700,000 Libyans, Grenadians, Somalians, Haitians, Afghanistanis, Sudanese, Brazilians, Argentineans and Yugoslavians killed, 1991 - over 1,000,000 Iraqis killed, including over 500,000 children -- about which Madeline Albright ( then, Secretary of State ) said "their deaths are worth the cost". While George W. Bush owns over 80% of the oil wells in Kuwait, trouble will continue there. http://www.peaceonea...et/8million.htm Steve, you and many others have difficulty seeing from "Outside the Box" and because of this World terrorism will increase year by year. Share the Wealth or Hoard it amongst the Lucky Few? Thats the question and the problem, when you lot get your Heads out of Your Arses and Smell the Coffee you might be able to do something constructive in the way of mending what is broken, untill then enjoy the smell. Whats a "circle jerk of faulty reasoning " by the way? I'm not Ignorant or Stupid, i see with WIDE OPEN EYES, its a pity you and others dont. I've been Very Close to 4 IRA Bombs in London, how bout you? So i can sympathise with People that have Lost Loved ones to Terrorism be they, English, Irish, Palestinian, Jew, Iraqi, Afghani, even Japaneese, as well as Americans. Its not Religious Conflict that Perpetrates Terrorism now, its Capitalists Greed. I can also Sympathise with the Terrorists, what or how else can they engage you when you will not listen to them and they cannot have a fair fight with you, well if you can call "Pattern Bombing" fair, sounds about as fair as "Suicide or Car Bombs" to me, how bout you? People like you would have us believe then that the Troubles in Northern Ireland were about Religion, how wrong that turned out to be didnt it? Much more about Power Sharing i think you will find. As for being "Inflammatory" i will take the oppotunity to appologise for any offence caused to any people on here that lost someone in those attacks, i was not directing my post at you. Regards, Danny PS, You might just be right about "babarism being actually rooted in religious conflict, not politics or economics", if you will concider the worshiping of "Mammon" (money and wealth) to be "Religious", now i could agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzldoc Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 What ever became of Robin Hood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deborah J Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 What ever became of Robin Hood? Good Question!!:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDAN Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 What ever became of Robin Hood? Hi Doc, He Robbed the Rich and then the Poor and was last seen living in America. Regards, Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Hi Steve, YOU OLD CAPITALIST YOU. "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" That Good enough for You? And while we are on the subject, and while we grieve at those losses, the Muslim World will be celebrateing, how you gonna fix that Steve, theres more Terrorism Commited by the US that the rest of the World put together, and thats a fact. Steve, you and many others have difficulty seeing from "Outside the Box" and because of this World terrorism will increase year by year. Share the Wealth or Hoard it amongst the Lucky Few? Thats the question and the problem, when you lot get your Heads out of Your Arses and Smell the Coffee you might be able to do something constructive in the way of mending what is broken, untill then enjoy the smell. Whats a "circle jerk of faulty reasoning " by the way? I'm not Ignorant or Stupid, i see with WIDE OPEN EYES, its a pity you and others dont. I've been Very Close to 4 IRA Bombs in London, how bout you? So i can sympathise with People that have Lost Loved ones to Terrorism be they, English, Irish, Palestinian, Jew, Iraqi, Afghani, even Japaneese, as well as Americans. Its not Religious Conflict that Perpetrates Terrorism now, its Capitalists Greed. I can also Sympathise with the Terrorists, what or how else can they engage you when you will not listen to them and they cannot have a fair fight with you, well if you can call "Pattern Bombing" fair, sounds about as fair as "Suicide or Car Bombs" to me, how bout you? People like you would have us believe then that the Troubles in Northern Ireland were about Religion, how wrong that turned out to be didnt it? Much more about Power Sharing i think you will find. As for being "Inflammatory" i will take the oppotunity to appologise for any offence caused to any people on here that lost someone in those attacks, i was not directing my post at you. Regards, Danny PS, You might just be right about "babarism being actually rooted in religious conflict, not politics or economics", if you will concider the worshiping of "Mammon" (money and wealth) to be "Religious", now i could agree with that. Valiant attempt on your part to pin those inflated numbers on the U.S., but it won't hold up as entirely factual under the least bit of scrutiny. It's no different than Afghanistan this week, where "NATO killed 70 civilians". No, NATO launched an airstrike on stolen fuel trucks that had the real and immediate potential for carrying out suicide attacks on NATO compounds. The Taliban had lured non-combatants into the imminent strike zone by offering them "free fuel". There are more news outlets than CNN, Danny. You've also neglected to mention the U.S. gives more humanitarian aid and relief than any other nation. It was Albright herself who pushed for U.S. intervention in the former Yugoslav republic to halt ethnic cleansing, not that I am or ever will be in agreement or total alignment with her policies of the time. It's jihad. They'll continue to murder rich and poor without discrimination. The fix is to kill insurgents on their own soil (and it is working, by the way). It's not a conflict rooted in politics or economics. I too know a little bit about this but we are not going into a comparison of whom has lived through greater carnage. I don't care to discuss it. Besides, by your own admission, you are a terrorist sympathizer so your apology is disengenuous and it's best not to engage with you further on this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Good Question!!:-) Robin Hood always belonged more to literature - where all things are possible - than to history and harsh reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Hartman Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Robin Hood always belonged more to literature - where all things are possible - than to history and harsh reality. Steve you're absolutely dead on on this one. It amazes me how many think of fictional characters as factual. Sort of go's back to a saying by Descartes. Just because you think therefore you are or it is in your mind does not make it an factual event or entity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Steve you're absolutely dead on on this one. It amazes me how many think of fictional characters as factual. Sort of go's back to a saying by Descartes. Just because you think therefore you are or it is in your mind does not make it an factual event or entity. Descartes said "I think, therefore I am". I agree with him in the context of all beliefs being self-referential so I imagine being dead will prove to be not only inconvienent to my plans but a rather tedious non-existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzldoc Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Steve you're absolutely dead on on this one. It amazes me how many think of fictional characters as factual. Sort of go's back to a saying by Descartes. Just because you think therefore you are or it is in your mind does not make it an factual event or entity. Never said he was real, I figured it was in context with BD's belief of how the world owes us something because we are poor or ignorant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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