Anjin-san Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 The Soldiers Family have asked for him NOT to be Named and I hope that the Media Honour their Wishes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fool In The Rain 60 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 RIP Drummer Lee Rigby.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 The soldier's family have agreed to him being named and released family photographs and information.I guess they didn't initially want him named until they could inform as many family and friends as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Thank you. RIP Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reswati Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 As far as the selective uproar by some of our beloved brethren here................this happened 2 weeks ago, also in England. No comment. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/02/birmingham-murder-racially-motivated-police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redirtuo Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 The Weather Underground and the Panthers were punters, mere children compared to that famous domestic terrorist group called the KKK. Where was the national outrage for over 100 years of clan activity, the slaughtering of hundreds of thousands of black Americans just for being black. Islam? Those guys wish they had the death numbers the KKK has but yet most have resigned them to the dust bin of history with little more than a "what a shame." With some of the logic (or lack thereof) exhibited on this forum, I think all white, southern men who are affiliated, have been affiliated, or had a family member affiliated at any time in history with the KKK or any other white "pride" group should be rounded up and shipped back to their ancestral lands with American citizenship revoked permanently. That idea makes about as much sense as blaming all terrorism and all deviant behavior of a minority on ALL muslims. Yea, the KKK. While I'm not sure they killed in the "hundreds of thousands" they certainly are a murderous evil grouping of extremists thugs. That is a good comparison to radical islamic terrorism. Look, I say "radical islamic terrorism" because they refer to themselves as 'islamic', much like members of KKK called themselves christians. I never suggested blame on ALL muslims. People need to stop and think here. Hey, when the swedish bikini team starts strapping on bomb thongs I will call out the hot blonde chicks that support radical swedish bikini teams, but I won't condemn all hot blonde chicks in bikinis. Dig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenog Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Let's keep in mind Lee's two year old son, Jack, who will now grow up without a father. This little boy is also a victim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryingbluerain Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Send them home, they don't belong, time for England to clean the garbage out Expect more and more incidences like this with an open border policy and the lure of gov't handouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Duck Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 One doesn't have to "embrace" anyone else's belief system, do they? Is it unfair to say that when someone slaughters in the name of this particular religion it fits a current pattern that we've seen play out over and over and over again? Talking about the problem is not the problem...Just because someone claims to kill in the name of Islam doesn't make it so. Did Muslims the world over hold a secret vote and decide these men should kill a British soldier in their name? Did the killers circulate a petition among Britain's Muslim community to garner support for their actions? If not, the killers have no more right to claim they act on behalf of Muslims than I do.If I stage a sit-in in front of Robert Plant's house and demand he agree to a Led Zeppelin reunion tour, I could claim to be doing it on behalf of all Zep fans. In reality I would be doing it for my own selfish reasons.P.S. For the record, I have no intention of hassling Mr. Plant or anyone else from Zep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenog Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 An article with Muslims condemning attack, but saying that these types of attacks have escalated due to Britain following US overseas policy in Iraq and Afghanistan. http://rt.com/op-edge/oxford-imam-woolwich-attack-697/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melcórë Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 The Islamification of England and the rest of Europe continues. This is the attitude which breeds ignorance and hatred, on both sides of the issue. Just because someone claims to kill in the name of Islam doesn't make it so. Did Muslims the world over hold a secret vote and decide these men should kill a British soldier in their name? Did the killers circulate a petition among Britain's Muslim community to garner support for their actions? If not, the killers have no more right to claim they act on behalf of Muslims than I do. If I stage a sit-in in front of Robert Plant's house and demand he agree to a Led Zeppelin reunion tour, I could claim to be doing it on behalf of all Zep fans. In reality I would be doing it for my own selfish reasons. P.S. For the record, I have no intention of hassling Mr. Plant or anyone else from Zep. Thank you for being a good human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 [9.14] Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reswati Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 And now within the original context: [9.12] And if they break their oaths after their agreement and (openly) revile your religion, then fight the leaders of unbelief-- surely their oaths are nothing-- so that they may desist. [9.13] What! will you not fight the people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Apostle, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers. [9.14] Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypeO Posted May 23, 2013 Author Share Posted May 23, 2013 Disgusting racist comment. Reported. Fuck off. This is the attitude which breeds ignorance and hatred, on both sides of the issue. How ironic you would equate my comment (free speech) with a public beheading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Duck Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 The men who killed the British soldier WANT to provoke conflict between British Muslims and the rest of British society. I think it's important to remember this. They don't have any use for British Muslims who justwant to get on with their lives and live in peace with their neighbors. Thus, they don't have any problem with dropping them into the shit in order to further their jihadist fantasies. The worse thing the British government or individual British citizens could do is target innocent British Muslims in retaliation. That would give the killers what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 And now within the original context: [9.12] And if they break their oaths after their agreement and (openly) revile your religion, then fight the leaders of unbelief-- surely their oaths are nothing-- so that they may desist. [9.13] What! will you not fight the people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Apostle, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers. [9.14] Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people. [3.54] And they planned and Allah (also) planned, and Allah is the best of planners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Duck Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Have you read the Bible lately? Particularly the Old Testament. There is some very scary stuff in it like the story of Jezebel to name one example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reswati Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 [3.54] And they planned and Allah (also) planned, and Allah is the best of planners. Was Plant also planned or just planted? Lulz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Have you read the Bible lately? Particularly the Old Testament. There is some very scary stuff in it like the story of Jezebel to name one example. Several times along with Koran, Torah,Manifest der Kommunistischen Partei,The Little Red Book,Mein Kampf,The Satanic Bible.What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP78 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 some people think the Sandy Hook and other mass shootings in the US were not as bad as the Boston Bombing because it's worse when certain types of people kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Duck Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Several times along with Koran, Torah,Manifest der Kommunistischen Partei,The Little Red Book,Mein Kampf,The Satanic Bible.What's your point?My point is that exhortations to the faithful to perform deeds we now consider reprehensible aren't limited to the Koran. They're plenty of them in the Bible as well. I can't speak to other religions' holy books as I haven't read them. What you're trying to do is single out Islam and Muslims as "beyond the pale". That's just wrong and counterproductive on so many levels. However, people like you always need some group to demonize. Today it's the Muslims. Tomorrow it could be Latinos or Maoists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ady Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 The men who killed the British soldier WANT to provoke conflict between British Muslims and the rest of British society. I think it's important to remember this. They don't have any use for British Muslims who justwant to get on with their lives and live in peace with their neighbors. Thus, they don't have any problem with dropping them into the shit in order to further their jihadist fantasies. The worse thing the British government or individual British citizens could do is target innocent British Muslims in retaliation. That would give the killers what they want. Exactly. These morons only make the situation worse. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJRX4b8Ocps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 some people think the Sandy Hook and other mass shootings in the US were not as bad as the Boston Bombing because it's worse when certain types of people kill. WTF are you talking about? Never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 My point is that exhortations to the faithful to perform deeds we now consider reprehensible aren't limited to the Koran. They're plenty of them in the Bible as well. I can't speak to other religions' holy books as I haven't read them. What you're trying to do is single out Islam and Muslims as "beyond the pale". That's just wrong and counterproductive on so many levels. However, people like you always need some group to demonize. Today it's the Muslims. Tomorrow it could be Latinos or Maoists. Did I say that? Read the Koran and other 'holy books',Google them. Your cranium should be removed from your anus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reswati Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 My point is that exhortations to the faithful to perform deeds we now consider reprehensible aren't limited to the Koran. They're plenty of them in the Bible as well. I can't speak to other religions' holy books as I haven't read them. What you're trying to do is single out Islam and Muslims as "beyond the pale". That's just wrong and counterproductive on so many levels. However, people like you always need some group to demonize. Today it's the Muslims. Tomorrow it could be Latinos or Maoists. I personally think that most murders/killings/rapes etc are committed by people who wear trousers, hence trousers are the main source of evil. Globalisation leads to nothing as proven by my bullshit statement. As far as "Islamisation" goes....it reminds me of something called "Verjudung". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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