Mithril46 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Most feasible would be an acoustic or Roy Harper thing, where Jimmy almost magically sounds right on top of things. Just like the 77' acoustic set, where did the junkie go ??. The various ideas Jimmy could do are interesting but unless he really has been practicing, there may well be embarrassed faces and quick goodbyes. And Jimmy did play with the Stones damn good in 86' ??(One hit to the body). However although Jimmy was still a bit of a shambles drug/alcohol wise and even playing wise then, he had in fact been practicing quite a bit since the ARMS shows. Maybe not every day and for hours and hours. But despite my dislike of the Firm's material, there are 85' and 86' shows where Jimmy has almost invented a new solo style, and some of the solos are really amazing, really wild. Oh well.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woz70 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) 10 hours ago, Charles J. White said: It doesn't matter, but here are my 5 wishes and I would love for any 1 of the 5 to happen (1) Page starts up Coverdale Page again which I thought was perfect for a first outing together (2) Page records and builds 12 individual songs with 12 individual singers so each song is its own project and has its own individual merit (3) Jason Bonham, John Paul Jones, and Page record an album together without a singer (4) Page works with Roger Daltrey for a 1 off project and see where it goes from there (5) Calls up random bands insert band (The Tea Party, Def Leppard it could any anone) and says "I want to record a song with you" NIce. But: Not gonna happen. Unless it's a subtle gambit to get Percy back on board (well, it worked the last time ). Would be great, but (a) unless these singers approach Page it ain't gonna happen - he's simply not pro-active (look at the bitchy comment he gave about Jonesy & Grohl getting together for TCV - you can bet your bottom dollar Jones didn't just sit on his arse and wait for the call) and (b) he wouldn't be able to tour on the back of it. Plus it would mean him committing time to 12 different personaliities - enough time to get a rapport together strong enough to write a song. So he'd have to put a band together first too (unless it was all acoustic). I think there are too many excuses for him to make for this scenario to pan out - too many other people to deal with and allocate time to. Exceptionally unlikely - it didn't happen before, why would it nearly 10 years later? Plus it'd just be touted as Zep-lite or something else a bit crass. Plus Jimmy would have to really roll the boat out and dedicate himself to practising to pull off an instrumental album. I'd love to see him work with Jones especially because he has so many directions to go to and take from, but I don't know if those personalities mesh very well any more. Really? Roger Daltrey isn't particularly prolific with the songwriting. He's written 2 songs by himself? A handful as a co-writer? Can't see it. Most likely scenario... but once again these bands would have to call him I reckon. It's been a year since he said he's ready to get out there and 'be seen to be playing'. So we get the BBC session remastered instead. He's done playing. Edited July 23, 2016 by woz70 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithril46 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Yeah. I think also some fans etc. don't realize something that his own mother said. That "Jimmy used to just sort of glide into situations". Certainly Jimmy made some attempts at other musical projects after Zep till now, but I really think Jimmy feels very uncomfortable having to chase people down, convince them to be in the band, and also possibly fight over musical direction. The Firm is a great example: some riffs definetly are Jimmy, but there was for me a big AHA !! moment when I read some of the generic rhythm stuff came from Paul Rodgers. Like EVH would use Sammy Hagar riffs ???EVH himself was all toasted, but I think Hagar knew who's boss. Jimmy never was dictatorial, which actually may have hurt him after Zep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyGirl Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) Even though Jimmy hasn't put out any 'new music' in a long time, or even contributed to another artist's album - I feel he's still very much involved in the music scene. I know it sounds probably silly considering the length of time he's been absent from the stage and what not, but with Zep being such a strong force in music, it always feels like Jimmy's presence is there in the music world. There was recently a photo of Jimmy at a record store in London circulating on Twitter with a producer - He looked sweet and all smiles, but his hands in the picture reminded me a bit of how my 93yr old Nan holds her hands when her arthritis is flared up. Or maybe I'm seeing something that's not there. He's a guitarist so I notice his hands. What is with threads like this? I try and let them die for a few months, and then several of you guys post something that piques my interest. Edited July 25, 2016 by KellyGirl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithril46 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 ALWAYS part of the scene. I don't know if other fans have my pathological disturbance, but when I put on a Zep boot, I actually feel as if the band is actually playing as I listen to it. Well, I think timeless and powerful music can seem as if it always existed, will always exist and so on. Even Jimmy's smile in that guitar shop , and his sparkling eyes, he looks like he is full of enthusiasm, not the look of anyone even close to his age. This is what keeps us sentimental fools waiting with baited breath for more Jimmy music. I remember Jimmy walking offstage at one of the MSG ARMS 83' shows, his broomstick arms outstretched as if he had won a prizefight. Well then came the Firm, but regardless, right, Jimmy's contribution to popular music and entertainment is everywhere. Jimmy is really insecure, I guarantee this is a considerable factor in his non-emergence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles J. White Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 Who knows, the whole thing from a selfish music junkie point of view sucks because he isn't that old, and yet I don't understand how the muse to record music seems to have just left him. I wish I could get my hands on the tapes that he, Jones, and Bonham had been working on after the 02 gig those would be so interesting to listen to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in_the_evening Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 It seems that JP can't accept the fact that LZ is done, and he is an older man. Plant has turned down the volume considerably and is doing much more mellow music (so are guitarists like Mark Knopfler and Eric Clapton). Why can't JP accept his age, and play to the best of his abilities that he is capable of? And JP can't accept the fact that a new album might only sell a few hundred thousand copies. And when you tour, you may have to stick to venues that only hold a few thousand. Plant and the guitarists I mentioned (along with MANY other artists) have all adjusted to these changes. JP cannot. More remasters are probably coming. After all, it's been a few years and technology has changed a lot, and he found a never before released song under his bed, so that could mean an all new remastered {insert album name} deluxe version for just $100.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyGirl Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Allow me to put on a tinfoil hat: Personally I think Jimmy easily has new ideas and would play in much smaller venues. Physically being able to play the material is where I believe the burden lies. You can't do one without the other. I think Jimmy's hands will no longer allow him to do what he wants to do. That wasn't likely the case (excuse to some) 10 years ago, but it very well could be now. He used to periodically get up and jam here and there. Never mind performing a full concert. I'm talking about jumping on stage for a 15 minute encore where musicians are playing a song he knows how to play. That has diminished and escaped him all together. He classified the guitar an extension of his body and for him to stop playing when he continues to submerge himself in music does not jive. If he was dealt a terrible blow health wise that would be a game changer, however this is not a Malcolm Young situation. Besides a physical ailment with his hands - what other reason could there be for him to just stop playing in any capacity? If what I'm saying has any truth - what stops him from admitting it to the media? I won't say it's dishonest to fans, because I believe if he lost the thrill and desire he would officially say he was retired and take himself out of the game. I do understand those who have grown tired of his 'promises to be seen and heard' though. I do hope Jimmy knows it doesn't diminish his achievements in any way. He's forever aligned to one of thee most influential bands of all time. He helped create and achieve what many musicians can only dream of. Addictions to smack and Jack Daniels aside -- his name is carved in stone when it comes to how much he's been an inspiration to other guitarists, song writers and just musicians in general. Zep is one of those things that can run eternally with fans. Okay now wake the hell up to those I've managed to put to sleep!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 25 minutes ago, KellyGirl said: believe if he lost the thrill and desire he would officially say he was retired and take himself out of the game. Ego and vanity does not permit this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstork Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 45 minutes ago, KellyGirl said: Allow me to put on a tinfoil hat: Personally I think Jimmy easily has new ideas and would play in much smaller venues. Physically being able to play the material is where I believe the burden lies. You can't do one without the other. I think Jimmy's hands will no longer allow him to do what he wants to do. That wasn't likely the case (excuse to some) 10 years ago, but it very well could be now. He used to periodically get up and jam here and there. Never mind performing a full concert. I'm talking about jumping on stage for a 15 minute encore where musicians are playing a song he knows how to play. That has diminished and escaped him all together. He classified the guitar an extension of his body and for him to stop playing when he continues to submerge himself in music does not jive. If he was dealt a terrible blow health wise that would be a game changer, however this is not a Malcolm Young situation. Besides a physical ailment with his hands - what other reason could there be for him to just stop playing in any capacity? If what I'm saying has any truth - what stops him from admitting it to the media? I won't say it's dishonest to fans, because I believe if he lost the thrill and desire he would officially say he was retired and take himself out of the game. I do understand those who have grown tired of his 'promises to be seen and heard' though. I do hope Jimmy knows it doesn't diminish his achievements in any way. He's forever aligned to one of thee most influential bands of all time. He helped create and achieve what many musicians can only dream of. Addictions to smack and Jack Daniels aside -- his name is carved in stone when it comes to how much he's been an inspiration to other guitarists, song writers and just musicians in general. Zep is one of those things that can run eternally with fans. Okay now wake the hell up to those I've managed to put to sleep!! Well said, I've thought the same thing. This is a guy you couldn't keep from jumping on stage with anyone, any time. In the 80's Rolling Stone wrote, "It would take surgery to remove this man from his guitar." John Paul Jones has said more than once, "Page LIVES to be onstage." it is undeniably weird and it has to go beyond merely "waiting for Robert," IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles J. White Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share Posted July 27, 2016 7 hours ago, KellyGirl said: Physically being able to play the material is where I believe the burden lies. You can't do one without the other. I think Jimmy's hands will no longer allow him to do what he wants to do. That wasn't likely the case (excuse to some) 10 years ago, but it very well could be now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyGirl Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Hmm when I watch that I tend to think he's favouring his right hand somewhat. Am I seeing things? I would even believe it, if he said he had to ice it after the show. The mobility in his fingers looks a wee bit sluggish, and no I'm not chalking it up to age in this case at all. I left room for that. Sigh.....guitar playing isn't always kind and gentle on the wrists and fingers for someone whose having aches and pains is it. I guess Jimmy and a lot people on here could also fire back and say his hands don't need any T L C and I 'm blabbering about nonsense. On a side note. He sounds good + he looks good in that video, and it wouldn't be Jimmy live if he wasn't making all those adorably redonk facial expression on stage. Gahhh o m g so many gifs and memes. Thanks for linking Charles J. White Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles J. White Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share Posted July 27, 2016 (edited) 9 hours ago, KellyGirl said: Hmm when I watch that I tend to think he's favouring his right hand somewhat. Am I seeing things? I would even believe it, if he said he had to ice it after the show. The mobility in his fingers looks a wee bit sluggish, and no I'm not chalking it up to age in this case at all. I left room for that. Sigh.....guitar playing isn't always kind and gentle on the wrists and fingers for someone whose having aches and pains is it. I guess Jimmy and a lot people on here could also fire back and say his hands don't need any T L C and I 'm blabbering about nonsense. On a side note. He sounds good + he looks good in that video, and it wouldn't be Jimmy live if he wasn't making all those adorably redonk facial expression on stage. Gahhh o m g so many gifs and memes. Thanks for linking Charles J. White When one listen to his playing on this, you can clearly hear that Jimmy still knows how to play the guitar very very well...There is not a guitar player I have heard who has as many critics as Pagey Edited July 27, 2016 by Charles J. White Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstork Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 3 hours ago, Charles J. White said: When one listen to his playing on this, you can clearly hear that Jimmy still knows how to play the guitar very very well...There is not a guitar player I have heard who has as many critics as Pagey Another good point Charles. We unfortunately are living in an age of groupthink, and a lot of people seem to automatically call him "sloppy" or "overrated" when the topic of his live playing comes up. I look at some YouTube comments and hope he doesn't read them, he seems to bring out the worst in some judgmental know-nothings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 ^ Absolutely! I thought his playing was great at the 02 - especially given the fact of: 1) his age 2) not having toured/played live in 6-7 years 3) the level of difficulty of the material he was playing as a solo guitarist 4) the magnitude of the show and all that was expected from it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithril46 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 As a guitar player, having I guess maybe a little more insight, the hand problem thing could be, but for those saying a slowdown even at the 02 show, not sure. In some of the songs he clearly has almost all his highest technique, and some songs the solos are still very good, but a bit sluggish if compared to earlier versions. You can't ignore Jimmy's tremendous insecurity: fans see Jimmy in the dragon suit stalking the stage like a hungry lion, and assume offstage he must be the same, at least to a larger extent. That's part of Jimmy's persona, it's real, but actually offstage he tends to be shy and retiring, and after Zep he had a lot of trouble assembling bands because although he's certainly ambitious, he's not socially a big go-getter. Hurting things further is Jimmy, great as he is, is one of those guitarists who needs to be constantly playing. There are famous guitarists who can not play for a whole month, with little or no decline. Jimmy has actually been hitting a number of guitar shops in the last 6-9 months, interesting if anybody noticed anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in_the_evening Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but here are some things JP *could* have done since the O2 show: play on just ONE song on Jeff Becks new album. Or anyone's album for that matter. produce, or offer to produce a song or album for a new or established band. get on stage to play just ONE song with ANY band. release ONE song from the mysterious *new* music he, ahem, has been working on. Release it on the JP site. instead, it's re-releases and remasters and more of the same tripe. for those holding out hope for new JP music, I hope you get it and I hope it is awesome. For a man I consider to be an almost hero to me, it is disappointing to see what he is doing. My other faves (Beck, Knopfler, Clapton, EVH) continue to put new stuff out, tour, and attempt to stay relevant. Wish I could say the same for our man..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecongo Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Hopefully the mystery of Jimmys musical disappearing act will be revealed some day. It makes no sense and just raises millions of questions. Which he likes no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 20 hours ago, Mithril46 said: Jimmy has actually been hitting a number of guitar shops in the last 6-9 months, interesting if anybody noticed anything. I wonder if the "No Stairway Rule" applies to Jimmy when he visits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moddey Dhoo Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 1 hour ago, IpMan said: I wonder if the "No Stairway Rule" applies to Jimmy when he visits? Awesome, made me laugh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithril46 Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Yeah, that's funny. Still, wondering what exactly he's looking for at those guitar shops. The cynical( but deserved mindset) is that he's trying to fool people that he's started cracking on a serious project. Guitars he certainly doesn't need, but there have been significant advances in technology even since the 02 show, he might be checking out some advanced pedals or home recording equipment.. Even if he is actively getting things together, a snails' pace it is. Of course the shop owners etc. Are probably sworn to secrecy, as so many Page activities seem to be . Of course anyone with a good smartphone in the store could have recorded/ videod much, but again mysteriously this just doesn't happen to Jimmy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDave Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Jimmy had his opportunity in 2008 with Jason and JPJ and a couple of notable singers, but decided to not take it forward for some reason. Perhaps, some sort of apprehension and/or fear musically....I don't know! Now at 72 as most his age have been retired and not just those who are musicians. I personally, don't plan on working at that age. But he had his chance, but needed some inspiration and/or drive from another source or individual to make something happen after the Black Crowes. I think having good management may have helped, but what do I know? Just how I see it in away. What do you think? He's just too involved with all the Zep compilations etc and seems to use it as an excuse I suppose to not do something, even though he says he plans to after after one of these is completed with the Zep catalogue, the BBC now, Celebration Day and so on! When we've heard about these projects, they've pretty much been completed at the time with the exception to a degree with the remastering of the Zep catalogue which was much more of an extentive undertaking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moddey Dhoo Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 10 hours ago, SuperDave said: Jimmy had his opportunity in 2008 with Jason and JPJ and a couple of notable singers, but decided to not take it forward for some reason. Perhaps, some sort of apprehension and/or fear musically....I don't know! Now at 72 as most his age have been retired and not just those who are musicians. I personally, don't plan on working at that age. But he had his chance, but needed some inspiration and/or drive from another source or individual to make something happen after the Black Crowes. I think having good management may have helped, but what do I know? Just how I see it in away. What do you think? He's just too involved with all the Zep compilations etc and seems to use it as an excuse I suppose to not do something, even though he says he plans to after after one of these is completed with the Zep catalogue, the BBC now, Celebration Day and so on! When we've heard about these projects, they've pretty much been completed at the time with the exception to a degree with the remastering of the Zep catalogue which was much more of an extentive undertaking! What do I think? I think Jimmy may have lost his mojo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithril46 Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Mojo, sure. Another thing, Jimmy is quite vain, and at the 02 he could still pass for an aging rock star. Don't underestimate this, Peter Grant and Richard Cole saw this undeniably in the Zep days. Not totally sure about this , but I think Steve A. Jones could have possibly had some more inside source on Page's playing state, especially since there are other arcane matters Zep that really he knows which really aren't published. I had an acquaintance with J Bonham's Zep band guitarist years ago, and he told me some stuff, like Jimmy tends to play 90% acoustic at home. That explains the acoustic competence of the 77' unplugged, and the very together Roy Harper live stuff. All this is so stupid. Everyone knows Page can play, why couldn't he buy some great looper( device which expertly records anything you want, mix together with live guitar) and go on a small club tour. He gets all the dough, no compromises musically. ARRRGGHHH!! Never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boleskinner Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 If Page does do something new, I would like to see a studio recording. A revue show, encompassing all the different eras of his career, is not that exciting for me. It would just be a drab facsimile of the past. I feel the same when Plant tries to do the Zep numbers as well. Sure, you can jiggle the pegs around and put squares in round holes, but at the end of the day, it's never going to be as good as the original versions were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.