Adam Ryan watson Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) On 6/25/2018 at 6:37 PM, confounded_bridge said: Hi everyone. I've been reading this forum for a long time and i recently created an account. I enjoy all the twelve years of music that Led Zeppelin gave to us, and i am a huge fan of the 1977 tour. I see that the 77 tour gets slammed by some waterheads here and there, without a reason. I decided to rank all the 77 shows, to prove that most of them are good. THE ORDER IS RANDOM. I included only the shows that we have recordings for. BAD/WEIRD SHOWS Tempe Arizona, July 20 1977 Oklahoma city, April 3 1977 (the band is unrehearsed) Chicago, April 6 1977 (the band is unrehearsed) Chicago, April 7 1977 (the band still sounds a little bit rusty) Landover Maryland, May 26 1977 (IMTOD and Kashmir are trainwrecks) MEDIOCRE-GOOD SHOWS Houston TX, May 21 1977 (good performance) Fort worth TX, May 22 1977 (good performance) Landover, May 25 and 28 1977 (mediocre to good) Cleveland, April 27 1977 (good) Chicago, April 9 1977 (good) Cincinatti, April 19 and 20 1977 (good) Atlanta, April 23 1977 (good) Kentucky, April 25 1977 (good) New York, June 7 1977 (good) San Diego, June 19 1977 (brilliant playing from Jimmy, bad playing from Bonzo) Seattle, July 17 1977 (good show, but shitty SIBLY and Jimmy is lost during the OTHAFA solo) Oakland, July 23 1977 (good show, but Jimmy completely destroys the TYG solo) Oakland, July 24 1977 (good) VERY GOOD-LEGENDARY SHOWS Chicago, April 10 1977 (very good, the only bad moment is the first TYG solo, but Jimmy makes up with the second solo) Cleveland, April 28 1977 (excellent show, one of the best TYG, great NQ, kashmir and ALS) Pontiac, April 30 1977 (excellent, Jimmy plays greatly) Birmingham, May 18 1977 (excellent) Landover, May 30 1977 (excellent) Tampa, June 3 1977 (it started excellent and powerful) New York, June 8,10,11,13,14 1977 (excellent) Los Angeles, June 21,22,23,25,26,27 1977 (epic, legendary shows, with the 22nd being my favorite) I'd like to hear your opinions on my list. I agree with almost all of it except I rank the 2nd Oakland show in the bottom tier . I also think the first 2 Chicago shows. Are pretty solid considering the lack of rehearsal with the 2nd show being a very good one plants voice is in very strong shape in Chicago . I find the 7th to be a very strong and compact show from start to finish and a big improvement over the shows that came before it since I've been loving you from the 6th and 7th are great versions . San Diego was a pretty wired show . Page and plant were in great form but Bonham was a train wreck . If Bonham had been on it would have been one off the best shows of 77. The aborted 3rd Chicago show was another bad one . Jimmy was on bad shape and had to walk off after the first few numbers and cancel the rest of the show . I would count Seattle as one of the worst of 77 as well. Plants voice is awful and jimmy is a mess. I think even the first Chicago show is much better then srattle Edited August 13, 2018 by Adam Ryan watson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryan watson Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 On 6/25/2018 at 9:14 PM, gibsonfan159 said: Yes. I don't think 6/22 is as good overall as people say it is, and the last two shows are kinda blah. June 27 is a bit rough and they are pretty tired . The 26th is. An above average show for 77 but it's just a good solid show with nothing that really stands out. Bonham is a little lack luster on the 25th but jimmy and Robert are on . I do think the 22nd is a better show then the 25th . I don't know if it's better then the 23rd or 21st but it's at least on par with them . You can find performance from the 22nd that top ones from the 22st and 23rd . It has the best version of over the hills and far way of 77 as well as the best imtod of 77. In terms of pages guitar playing and plants vocals it's hard to find better performances from 77. No quarter has a killer solo from page . The 22nd has one of the most powerful Kashmirs of 77 . Since I've been loving you is stellar as well. It's really hard to say how good the show really is because of the recording quality . Each of the first 3 shows In l.a have moments that top the other two . It definitely beats shows like the landover run Houston and fort worth . Houston is not near as bad as some make it out to be but I still find it to be pretty dull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul carruthers Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 I love the 25th gig; epic No Quarter that could beat Badgeholders--if possible... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonzo_fan Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, TangerineDreamer said: All I know is I saw LZ 3/1/77 in Baton Rouge, La and thought it was absolutely fantastic. Never seen anything like it before or since. C’mon! It’s Led Zeppelin! What’s not to like? Wow...please tell us everything you can remember since there's no (widely) circulating tape of it!! P.S. You mean 5/19/77, right? Edited August 13, 2018 by Bonzo_fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confounded_bridge Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 On 8/13/2018 at 10:01 AM, Strider said: I wrote this about two years ago. Your post sums up everything about the 77 tour. I agree 100% and i still don't get why so many people dislike this tour. I guess they have their own problems... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confounded_bridge Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 On 8/13/2018 at 9:51 PM, Bonzo_fan said: Wow...please tell us everything you can remember since there's no (widely) circulating tape of it!! P.S. You mean 5/19/77, right? I thought that the tape was not circulating at all. At least, if it circulates among the elite of fans, there is a lot of hope it will leak one day. Your post made my day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confounded_bridge Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 On 8/13/2018 at 6:55 PM, Adam Ryan watson said: June 27 is a bit rough and they are pretty tired . The 26th is. An above average show for 77 but it's just a good solid show with nothing that really stands out. Bonham is a little lack luster on the 25th but jimmy and Robert are on . I do think the 22nd is a better show then the 25th . I don't know if it's better then the 23rd or 21st but it's at least on par with them . You can find performance from the 22nd that top ones from the 22st and 23rd . It has the best version of over the hills and far way of 77 as well as the best imtod of 77. In terms of pages guitar playing and plants vocals it's hard to find better performances from 77. No quarter has a killer solo from page . The 22nd has one of the most powerful Kashmirs of 77 . Since I've been loving you is stellar as well. It's really hard to say how good the show really is because of the recording quality . Each of the first 3 shows In l.a have moments that top the other two . It definitely beats shows like the landover run Houston and fort worth . Houston is not near as bad as some make it out to be but I still find it to be pretty dull. Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonzo_fan Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 11 hours ago, confounded_bridge said: I thought that the tape was not circulating at all. At least, if it circulates among the elite of fans, there is a lot of hope it will leak one day. Your post made my day! As far as I know, it does/did circulate amongst a very elite group of collectors. I think Nutrocker is probably the guy to ask for more details on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SymphonyX Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) wrong thread Edited August 20, 2018 by SymphonyX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 18 hours ago, Bonzo_fan said: As far as I know, it does/did circulate amongst a very elite group of collectors. I think Nutrocker is probably the guy to ask for more details on that. If memory serves, a few people heard it before Freezer put the kibosh on its release...or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paganini Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) Sorry to rain on this but for me the ‘77 tour was poor both performance wise-mainly down to Jimmy and Bonzo being out of it most of the time -and sound wise with some awful recordings. I think after the Earls Court shows things nose dived fairly spectacularly and didn’t really recover until Knebworth and the following European tour. For me the band peaked on the ‘73 tour with Jimmy especially reaching levels I’ve not heard from him since-in fact the MSG gigs are really him at the peak of his powers. It’s very telling that nothing from the ‘77 tour features on any official live release, so clearly Jimmy doesn’t rate those performances either. Edited September 5, 2018 by Paganini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
76229 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 5 hours ago, Paganini said: Sorry to rain on this but for me the ‘77 tour was poor both performance wise-mainly down to Jimmy and Bonzo being out of it most of the time -and sound wise with some awful recordings. I think after the Earls Court shows things nose dived fairly spectacularly and didn’t really recover until Knebworth and the following European tour. For me the band peaked on the ‘73 tour with Jimmy especially reaching levels I’ve not heard from him since-in fact the MSG gigs are really him at the peak of his powers. It’s very telling that nothing from the ‘77 tour features on any official live release, so clearly Jimmy doesn’t rate those performances either. This is fair comment re: Page, but apart from San Diego, I'd say Bonzo kept it pretty tight in '77. He was out of it a lot, but it didn't affect his onstage performances imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecongo Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 77 was Bonzos best tour IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confounded_bridge Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 8 hours ago, Paganini said: Sorry to rain on this but for me the ‘77 tour was poor both performance wise-mainly down to Jimmy and Bonzo being out of it most of the time -and sound wise with some awful recordings. I think after the Earls Court shows things nose dived fairly spectacularly and didn’t really recover until Knebworth and the following European tour. For me the band peaked on the ‘73 tour with Jimmy especially reaching levels I’ve not heard from him since-in fact the MSG gigs are really him at the peak of his powers. It’s very telling that nothing from the ‘77 tour features on any official live release, so clearly Jimmy doesn’t rate those performances either. No. Not at all. The only reason for not releasing anything from 77 is because NO MULTITRACKS FROM 1977 EXIST. Jimmy has said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paganini Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, confounded_bridge said: No. Not at all. The only reason for not releasing anything from 77 is because NO MULTITRACKS FROM 1977 EXIST. Jimmy has said it. Well that’s intriguing cos I’ve never seen him say that anywhere-have you got a source you can refer me to then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confounded_bridge Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Paganini said: Sorry to rain on this but for me the ‘77 tour was poor both performance wise-mainly down to Jimmy and Bonzo being out of it most of the time -and sound wise with some awful recordings. I think after the Earls Court shows things nose dived fairly spectacularly and didn’t really recover until Knebworth and the following European tour. For me the band peaked on the ‘73 tour with Jimmy especially reaching levels I’ve not heard from him since-in fact the MSG gigs are really him at the peak of his powers. It’s very telling that nothing from the ‘77 tour features on any official live release, so clearly Jimmy doesn’t rate those performances either. 1. 1977 is Bonham's peak 2. Knebworth shows are shit, compared to LA 77 (with the exception of a few songs) 3. Sometimes Jimmy played bad, and sometimes BRILLIANT 4. The 1977 LA shows alone are better than all the 75 shows and some of the band's best concerts ever (together with 6-25-72, 6-27-72 and Europe 1973) 5. When I listen to most of the 1973 shows I always think how shitty Plant's voice is (Page is great though) 6. What exactly do you mean by "awful recordings"? Millard's recordings are bad to your ears? 4-28-77 recording sounds bad to you? 7. Someone who dislikes the 1977 LA shows (not to mention MSG, Pontiac and Birmingham) is either deaf or mentally ill. Edited September 5, 2018 by confounded_bridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confounded_bridge Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Paganini said: Well that’s intriguing cos I’ve never seen him say that anywhere-have you got a source you can refer me to then ? Its been a long time since I read it on this forum. But I remember clearly reading that Jimmy was "unable to locate" multitracks from 1977. Oh and look at all the photos from '77. NO double microphones on the kick drum, Jimmy's amps and John Paul Jone's amps. Perhaps another member will confirm this. Edited September 5, 2018 by confounded_bridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paganini Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, confounded_bridge said: 1. 1977 is Bonham's peak 2. Knebworth shows are shit, compared to LA 77 (with the exception of a few songs) 3. Sometimes Jimmy played bad, and sometimes BRILLIANT 4. The 1977 LA shows alone are better than all the 75 shows and some of the band's best concerts ever (together with 6-25-72, 6-27-72 and Europe 1973) 5. When I listen to most of 1973 shows I always think how shitty Plant's voice is (Page is great though) 6. What exactly do you mean by "awful recordings"? Millard's recordings are bad to your ears? 4-28-77 recording sounds bad to you? 7. Someone who dislikes the 1977 LA shows (not to mention MSG, Pontiac and Birmingham) is either deaf or mentally ill. Well these are your opinions and you’re welcome to them, I however will take my cue from JP ( who is neither “deaf or mentally ill” ) and until he comes up with something he’s happy to sanction officially I stand by what I’ve said previously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confounded_bridge Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Paganini said: Well these are your opinions and you’re welcome to them, I however will take my cue from JP ( who is neither “deaf or mentally ill” ) and until he comes up with something he’s happy to sanction officially I stand by what I’ve said previously. If he has no multitracks, he is never going to release a raw soundboard. Unless he decides do make a matrix (audience + sbd recording). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paganini Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 minute ago, confounded_bridge said: If he has no multitracks, he is never going to release a raw soundboard. Unless he decides do make a matrix (audience + sbd recording). As I’ve said before, back this up with a source or shut up 🤐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecongo Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 http://www.deangoodman.com/jimmy-page/ read this interview doesn’t look like there’s 77 multi tracks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confounded_bridge Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 54 minutes ago, Paganini said: As I’ve said before, back this up with a source or shut up 🤐 You are very rude. And your comment about the quality of the shows and the releases is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confounded_bridge Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, bluecongo said: http://www.deangoodman.com/jimmy-page/ read this interview doesn’t look like there’s 77 multi tracks Thanks for the confirmation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibsonfan159 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 25 minutes ago, bluecongo said: http://www.deangoodman.com/jimmy-page/ read this interview doesn’t look like there’s 77 multi tracks "The only other thing that got loaded was something from a university that was done for a bit of a laugh, and it actually sounded too much of a laugh to actually wanna ever put that out and be measured up by it, because that was something that had a quite a few mistakes on it. We were playing numbers when we had just sorta recorded them and maybe played it for the first time and it was a lot to remember in the set. Consequently you’re gonna come unstuck a little bit. And it’s just something that will never see the light of day. That’s all there is. There’s just one other performance. Everything else is now out that we had live-wise." Okay, he's talking about Southampton for the most part, but what is the "One other performance"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 11 hours ago, Paganini said: Sorry to rain on this but for me the ‘77 tour was poor both performance wise-mainly down to Jimmy and Bonzo being out of it most of the time -and sound wise with some awful recordings. I think after the Earls Court shows things nose dived fairly spectacularly and didn’t really recover until Knebworth and the following European tour. For me the band peaked on the ‘73 tour with Jimmy especially reaching levels I’ve not heard from him since-in fact the MSG gigs are really him at the peak of his powers. It’s very telling that nothing from the ‘77 tour features on any official live release, so clearly Jimmy doesn’t rate those performances either. I guess you're lucky you didn't waste any money on going to any of the 1977 shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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