What Do You Guys Believe Exists?

[1975NQ]

2 hours ago, slave to zep said:

https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/antony-kidman-dies-amidst-child-abuse-allegations,6918

I 100% believe her. 

[BobDobbs]

6 hours ago, slave to zep said:

https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/antony-kidman-dies-amidst-child-abuse-allegations,6918

Interesting but just supposition and claims. I cannot stand cancel culture or trial by public opinion, such actions must stop lest where such motivations eventually lead. I believe in the rule of law and innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. Such trends are cyclical and last time was in the 80's to early 90's with the Satanic pedophile scandals at the time of which every single one was proven to be false. I would think after ruining countless lives back then we would have learned our lesson but no. Here is a link to an a few articles about that nonsense and how it was proven to be nonsense:

How the daycare child abuse hysteria of the 1980s became a witch hunt - The Washington Post

It’s Time to Revisit the Satanic Panic - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

 

The irony here are these false and ridiculous stories wind up distracting from real cult activity that resulted in murder such as the Son of Sam case. At the time Berkowitz said he did not act alone and every shred of evidence pointed to the fact there were at least three other people involved in the murders. Then when they finally followed up on the evidence decades later it turned out that there was a cult just like Berkowitz stated and several members of that cult who likely participated in the murders "mysteriously" wound up dead within a year of Berkowitz apprehension. When I say mysteriously I am not talking about a heart attack, I am talking about being murdered or extremely suspicious suicides. So if you would like to see what a real satanic cult conspiracy looks like please research the Son of Sam murders, the investigations, and the eventual conclusions made 30 years after the fact.

True Story Behind 'The Sons of Sam,' David Berkowitz Series | Time

Did 'Son of Sam' really act alone? (nbcnews.com)

If you dig really deep you will find connections with The Manson Family, The Process Church, and Son of Sam. Plus, Scientology keeps popping up as well as The Process Church was founded by two high ranking Scientologists in 1963. Very interesting and scary stuff.

Unholy Communion: Does a Satanic Cult Connect 'Son of Sam' to Charles Manson? | Crime History | Investigation Discovery

Though there is considerable evidence linking all of this together there is nothing definitive and so this still remains a conspiracy theory. I simply wish proper investigations should have been conducted at the time and possibly were. The rich and famous have always been freaky and they do protect their own. Do I think such conspiracies are global or there is some networked international cabal, absolutely not as such a broad conspiracy would have been brought to light decades ago. However, I do believe there are small, local bands of these sick bastards which occasionally hook up with other small bands for mutual interest. So I believe when the police find something like a Manson or Son of Sam they come up with some silly, stupid, and ridiculous nonsensical motivations to hide a larger group activity. The reason being goes back to Kennedy and the necessity for a "lone gunman" as a single aberration can be tolerated by society, but even a small band of people working together has the potential to scare the living shit out of society as a whole and could result in a loss of faith in the system. Once that happens, everything begins to break down. That's why even though I believe Kennedy's (for example) assassination was a conspiracy and not the act of a lone gunman, I also believe the Warren Commission was 100% right to cover it up. If the truth ever came out in a meaningful way at the time, the whole system could have been compromised.

It reminds me of the movie Platoon when Sgt. Barnes makes his speech to the dopers. This speech is, IMO, the key to everything regarding the modern version of the social contract:

 

[JohnOsbourne]

16 minutes ago, BobDobbs said:

If the truth ever came out in a meaningful way at the time, the whole system could have been compromised.

Well, if the system really is rotten to the core, then it should be compromised, no?

[1975NQ]

56 minutes ago, BobDobbs said:

Interesting but just supposition and claims. I cannot stand cancel culture or trial by public opinion, such actions must stop lest where such motivations eventually lead. I believe in the rule of law and innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. Such trends are cyclical and last time was in the 80's to early 90's with the Satanic pedophile scandals at the time of which every single one was proven to be false. I would think after ruining countless lives back then we would have learned our lesson but no. Here is a link to an a few articles about that nonsense and how it was proven to be nonsense:

How the daycare child abuse hysteria of the 1980s became a witch hunt - The Washington Post

It’s Time to Revisit the Satanic Panic - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

 

The irony here are these false and ridiculous stories wind up distracting from real cult activity that resulted in murder such as the Son of Sam case. At the time Berkowitz said he did not act alone and every shred of evidence pointed to the fact there were at least three other people involved in the murders. Then when they finally followed up on the evidence decades later it turned out that there was a cult just like Berkowitz stated and several members of that cult who likely participated in the murders "mysteriously" wound up dead within a year of Berkowitz apprehension. When I say mysteriously I am not talking about a heart attack, I am talking about being murdered or extremely suspicious suicides. So if you would like to see what a real satanic cult conspiracy looks like please research the Son of Sam murders, the investigations, and the eventual conclusions made 30 years after the fact.

True Story Behind 'The Sons of Sam,' David Berkowitz Series | Time

Did 'Son of Sam' really act alone? (nbcnews.com)

If you dig really deep you will find connections with The Manson Family, The Process Church, and Son of Sam. Plus, Scientology keeps popping up as well as The Process Church was founded by two high ranking Scientologists in 1963. Very interesting and scary stuff.

Unholy Communion: Does a Satanic Cult Connect 'Son of Sam' to Charles Manson? | Crime History | Investigation Discovery

Though there is considerable evidence linking all of this together there is nothing definitive and so this still remains a conspiracy theory. I simply wish proper investigations should have been conducted at the time and possibly were. The rich and famous have always been freaky and they do protect their own. Do I think such conspiracies are global or there is some networked international cabal, absolutely not as such a broad conspiracy would have been brought to light decades ago. However, I do believe there are small, local bands of these sick bastards which occasionally hook up with other small bands for mutual interest. So I believe when the police find something like a Manson or Son of Sam they come up with some silly, stupid, and ridiculous nonsensical motivations to hide a larger group activity. The reason being goes back to Kennedy and the necessity for a "lone gunman" as a single aberration can be tolerated by society, but even a small band of people working together has the potential to scare the living shit out of society as a whole and could result in a loss of faith in the system. Once that happens, everything begins to break down. That's why even though I believe Kennedy's (for example) assassination was a conspiracy and not the act of a lone gunman, I also believe the Warren Commission was 100% right to cover it up. If the truth ever came out in a meaningful way at the time, the whole system could have been compromised.

It reminds me of the movie Platoon when Sgt. Barnes makes his speech to the dopers. This speech is, IMO, the key to everything regarding the modern version of the social contract:

 

Cancel culture is bs for sure .I hear you, man. And I agree in theory with the general gist of your argument.

BUT - I think these things should be looked at on a case by case basis, don't you? This woman came out with this at age 15 decades ago, way before cancel culture was a thing ... think about how hard that must have been for her. And she was squashed, in terms of anyone giving her story credence. People with money and power can absolutely silence the "little guy" (or girl), even in today's world.

But she stuck with it and wouldn't quit. She kept after this guy for decades until finally she got some people in authority to actually look into her story - which was the absolute minimum she deserved. We're talking about some very, very serious allegations. I think she should be commended for her courage. I don't think anyone would have gone through all that if it wasn't real. Just using my own judgement here. We can agree to disagree on this one. Personally, I believe her completely. 

I also believe Bob's Hope's accuser Brice Taylor - an identical story of some evil  MKUltra shit that went down in the 70's. One of the guards/hosts at the ball in EWS is wearing a Bob Hope mask, that's no accident. She published her autobiography in early 1999, not long before EWS was released. Her story ties in with the Epstein case you mentioned earlier.

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by 1975NQ

[BobDobbs]

23 minutes ago, JohnOsbourne said:

Well, if the system really is rotten to the core, then it should be compromised, no?

If we as humans were more enlightened in general I would say yes, but the fact is the current system though corrupt and malignant, is still better than chaos which would be the likely result of chucking the system. Our system as it currently is proves perfect for our current stage of mental evolution. If it were to fail or be brought down, as history of the past 100 years proves, the outcome would be either a fascist state (Nazi Germany, Mussolini Italy, Hungry, etc.) or a dictatorial socialist state (Soviet Union, China, Cuba, etc.).

 A really good example of this is the Russian Revolution of 1918. Most think it was Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky and the Bolsheviks who took over immediately and then bam, Soviet Union but that is not what happened. A provisional democratic government was established by the moderates who were in charge until 1919 but they were trying to be too many things to too many factions which resulted in a power vacuum. That's when the Bolsheviks led by Lenin seized power and the Soviet state established in the early 20's. Revolutions and change start with good intentions but it is always the assholes who take over because they are willing to do anything to gain power whereas the good folk simply do not have the balls or the single-mindedness which is why they are the good folk.

[BobDobbs]

3 minutes ago, 1975NQ said:

Cancel culture is bs for sure .I hear you, man. And I agree in theory with the general gist of your argument.

BUT - I think these things should be looked at on a case by case basis, don't you? This woman came out with this at age 15 decades ago, way before cancel culture was a thing ... think about how hard that must have been for her. And she was squashed, in terms of anyone giving her story credence. People with money and power can absolutely silence the "little guy" (or girl), even in today's world.

But she stuck with it and wouldn't quit. She kept after this guy for decades until finally she got some people in authority to actually look into her story - which was the absolute minimum she deserved. We're talking about some very, very serious allegations. I think she should be commended for her courage. I don't think anyone would have gone through all that if it wasn't real. Just using my own judgement here. We can agree to disagree on this one. Personally, I believe her completely. 

I also believe Bob's Hope's accuser Brice Taylor - an identical story of some evil  MKUltra shit that went down in the 70's. One of the guards/hosts at the ball in EWS is wearing a Bob Hope mask, that's no accident. She published her autobiography in early 1999, not long before EWS was released.

 

I agree 100%, her claim should have been thoroughly investigated from day one, but powerful, wealthy people have the system on their side. I guess my point is the system as a whole is not some global, satanic cabal but rather there are individuals within that system which are degenerate scum of which the system protects for fear the whole of the system may be compromised as a result. After all, when some creep is busted for child molestation it's not just the criminal who is persecuted but his whole family even when they had no knowledge. People naturally believe if a tree has a single rotten apple, then the whole tree must be rotten even when every other apple is fine. 

[JohnOsbourne]

7 minutes ago, BobDobbs said:

If we as humans were more enlightened in general I would say yes, but the fact is the current system though corrupt and malignant, is still better than chaos which would be the likely result of chucking the system. Our system as it currently is proves perfect for our current stage of mental evolution. If it were to fail or be brought down, as history of the past 100 years proves, the outcome would be either a fascist state (Nazi Germany, Mussolini Italy, Hungry, etc.) or a dictatorial socialist state (Soviet Union, China, Cuba, etc.).

 A really good example of this is the Russian Revolution of 1918. Most think it was Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky and the Bolsheviks who took over immediately and then bam, Soviet Union but that is not what happened. A provisional democratic government was established by the moderates who were in charge until 1919 but they were trying to be too many things to too many factions which resulted in a power vacuum. That's when the Bolsheviks led by Lenin seized power and the Soviet state established in the early 20's. Revolutions and change start with good intentions but it is always the assholes who take over because they are willing to do anything to gain power whereas the good folk simply do not have the balls or the single-mindedness which is why they are the good folk.

So, you're ok with a system that would cover up the murder of a President, because of what it might be replaced with?  That doesn't make sense to me.

[BobDobbs]

2 minutes ago, JohnOsbourne said:

So, you're ok with a system that would cover up the murder of a President, because of what it might be replaced with?  That doesn't make sense to me.

Well if the alternative is fascism or communism then yes. I hate to come across as crude but unfortunately eggs have to be broken to make an omelet. Even if the omelet tastes like shit it's still better than an actual shit sandwich (fascism or communism).

Believe me, I don't like it any better than you do however that is the reality. Think about it, humanity was basically feudalistic until the Great Enlightenment of the 17th & 18th centuries and republican ideas did not really begin to take hold until the end of the 18th century, so we are only about 250 years into representational government. I figure we have a good 100-150 years of this system before another, better system begins to take over if the current system can sustain. Otherwise we will likely move toward a fascist state. Reason why I think fascism would prevail over communism is because fascism just works better between the two systems as economically communism simply cannot be sustained for any long-term period. Both Stalinism & Maoism proved absolute failures and either collapsed (Russia) or evolved into a hybrid free-market quasi-fascist state (China).

[1975NQ]

4 minutes ago, BobDobbs said:

I agree 100%, her claim should have been thoroughly investigated from day one, but powerful, wealthy people have the system on their side. I guess my point is the system as a whole is not some global, satanic cabal but rather there are individuals within that system which are degenerate scum of which the system protects for fear the whole of the system may be compromised as a result. After all, when some creep is busted for child molestation it's not just the criminal who is persecuted but his whole family even when they had no knowledge. People naturally believe if a tree has a single rotten apple, then the whole tree must be rotten even when every other apple is fine. 

Yeah I think we're in agreement on the basics. Law and order is better than the alternative.  I was talking about those powerful individuals who, as you point out, have the system on their side.  As far as who they are and how far their power extends ... we'll never know. One of the many facets of EWS is the exploration of that - and the reality that this is going on, today, in the world we live in. He didn't choose Tom and Nicole to star in the film on accident. There are so many other facets to the film Im not bringing up because it would turn into an EWS thread if I did loll. He really made something unique. That guy was just on another level, no other director comes close in my book.

[1975NQ]

5 minutes ago, BobDobbs said:

I figure we have a good 100-150 years of this system before another, better system begins to take over if the current system can sustain. 

That sounds about right (and that's being optimistic). Systems always evolve, things change, empires rise and fall. I could see the US moving towards a more militarized system by the end of the century. Still sticking within the pseudo-democratic framework, of course. It almost seems inevitable the way things are going. But this getting way off topic lol.

UFOs ... shit's CRAZY, right?? 😛

[BobDobbs]

2 minutes ago, 1975NQ said:

Yeah I think we're in agreement on the basics. Law and order is better than the alternative.  I was talking about those powerful individuals who, as you point out, have the system on their side.  As far as who they are and how far their power extends ... we'll never know. One of the many facets of EWS is the exploration of that - and the reality that this is going on, today, in the world we live in. He didn't choose Tom and Nicole to star in the film on accident. There are so many other facets to the film Im not bringing up because it would turn into an EWS thread if I did loll. He really made something unique. That guy was just on another level, no other director comes close in my book.

You bet, EWS is a masterpiece and I encourage you to start a new thread on the subject because the material is so dense and so layered we could all go back and forth for quite some time. The symbolism is ridiculously dense in the movie and IMO the scenes at the mansion, the mock hieros gamos etc. are one layer, but the real kicker are the scenes in the costume shop. Holy shit the allusions in those scenes alone are insane. This whole movie is actually several different short films brought together by a common theme and that theme is at all levels humanity is perverse, from the micro to the macro, the poor to the powerful. We are all commodities to one extent or another.

Kubrick in EWS was pulling the curtain back a bit but the themes and the movie were simply beyond the understanding of most people due to the symbology. I don't believe Kubrick was killed because of this movie as he was in poor health for some time. More like he knew he was not long for this world and figured, what the hell, what do I have to lose. 

[1975NQ]

1 minute ago, BobDobbs said:

You bet, EWS is a masterpiece and I encourage you to start a new thread on the subject because the material is so dense and so layered we could all go back and forth for quite some time. The symbolism is ridiculously dense in the movie and IMO the scenes at the mansion, the mock hieros gamos etc. are one layer, but the real kicker are the scenes in the costume shop. Holy shit the allusions in those scenes alone are insane. This whole movie is actually several different short films brought together by a common theme and that theme is at all levels humanity is perverse, from the micro to the macro, the poor to the powerful. We are all commodities to one extent or another.

Kubrick in EWS was pulling the curtain back a bit but the themes and the movie were simply beyond the understanding of most people due to the symbology. I don't believe Kubrick was killed because of this movie as he was in poor health for some time. More like he knew he was not long for this world and figured, what the hell, what do I have to lose. 

Yes! We're talking the same language lol. I've seen that move over 100 times. Even the graffiti on the streets has meaning. I brought this up with an "expert" online a few months back, and she disagreed because she couldn't even see it. I had to point it out to her, and then she went quiet on me. Anyway, if I started a new thread, I'm pretty sure you and I would be the only ones on it. 😂 He made movies within movies as you say for both The Shining and Eyes Wide Shut. 

I'll start a thread on it next week if you wanna talk more about it. 

[BobDobbs]

25 minutes ago, 1975NQ said:

Yes! We're talking the same language lol. I've seen that move over 100 times. Even the graffiti on the streets has meaning. I brought this up with an "expert" online a few months back, and she disagreed because she couldn't even see it. I had to point it out to her, and then she went quiet on me. Anyway, if I started a new thread, I'm pretty sure you and I would be the only ones on it. 😂 He made movies within movies as you say for both The Shining and Eyes Wide Shut. 

I'll start a thread on it next week if you wanna talk more about it. 

Count me in, and I am positive a few more here will join the discussion as well. There are several forum members well versed in esoterica & the occult who can add considerably to the conversation.

[SteveAJones]

7 hours ago, BobDobbs said:

If we as humans were more enlightened in general I would say yes, but the fact is the current system though corrupt and malignant, is still better than chaos which would be the likely result of chucking the system. Our system as it currently is proves perfect for our current stage of mental evolution. If it were to fail or be brought down, as history of the past 100 years proves, the outcome would be either a fascist state (Nazi Germany, Mussolini Italy, Hungry, etc.) or a dictatorial socialist state (Soviet Union, China, Cuba, etc.).

 A really good example of this is the Russian Revolution of 1918. Most think it was Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky and the Bolsheviks who took over immediately and then bam, Soviet Union but that is not what happened. A provisional democratic government was established by the moderates who were in charge until 1919 but they were trying to be too many things to too many factions which resulted in a power vacuum. That's when the Bolsheviks led by Lenin seized power and the Soviet state established in the early 20's. Revolutions and change start with good intentions but it is always the assholes who take over because they are willing to do anything to gain power whereas the good folk simply do not have the balls or the single-mindedness which is why they are the good folk.

You keep citing the same half-dozen historical events to explain everything. I realize you are proud of your summer stock but time to come up with new material.

 

[JohnOsbourne]

8 hours ago, BobDobbs said:

Well if the alternative is fascism or communism then yes. I hate to come across as crude but unfortunately eggs have to be broken to make an omelet. Even if the omelet tastes like shit it's still better than an actual shit sandwich (fascism or communism).

Believe me, I don't like it any better than you do however that is the reality. Think about it, humanity was basically feudalistic until the Great Enlightenment of the 17th & 18th centuries and republican ideas did not really begin to take hold until the end of the 18th century, so we are only about 250 years into representational government. I figure we have a good 100-150 years of this system before another, better system begins to take over if the current system can sustain. Otherwise we will likely move toward a fascist state. Reason why I think fascism would prevail over communism is because fascism just works better between the two systems as economically communism simply cannot be sustained for any long-term period. Both Stalinism & Maoism proved absolute failures and either collapsed (Russia) or evolved into a hybrid free-market quasi-fascist state (China).

100-150 years?  If America exists in its current form in 5 years I will be amazed.  Historically democracy is an aberration, it invariably degenerates into mob rule or tyranny (or in the case of the modern USA, both).  Add to that the fact that parasitical finance capital has just about sucked dry a formerly (immensely) productive free market system.  (That economic system is a residual of the classical liberal/republican ideas you refer you here.)  I don't know what comes next, but I do know that lies and corruption cannot be sustained for long, and the current American system does not even pretend to be honest anymore.  

[BobDobbs]

3 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

100-150 years?  If America exists in its current form in 5 years I will be amazed.  Historically democracy is an aberration, it invariably degenerates into mob rule or tyranny (or in the case of the modern USA, both).  Add to that the fact that parasitical finance capital has just about sucked dry a formerly (immensely) productive free market system.  (That economic system is a residual of the classical liberal/republican ideas you refer you here.)  I don't know what comes next, but I do know that lies and corruption cannot be sustained for long, and the current American system does not even pretend to be honest anymore.  

You get no argument from me there brother

[BobDobbs]

6 hours ago, SteveAJones said:

You keep citing the same half-dozen historical events to explain everything. I realize you are proud of your summer stock but time to come up with new material.

 

Howdy Steve. How about you try for once to be civil and not insulting. This discussion was going very well until you showed up with again, nothing to positively contribute but instead offer only sophomoric insults and nonsense. 

 Or is civil discourse simply beyond your ability should the subject at hand be something which you do not agree with? I guess if you have nothing to offer, no facts or historical context just toss some insults and pat yourself on the back for being "so witty."

Whatever

[SteveAJones]

3 hours ago, BobDobbs said:

Howdy Steve. How about you try for once to be civil and not insulting. This discussion was going very well until you showed up with again, nothing to positively contribute but instead offer only sophomoric insults and nonsense. 

 Or is civil discourse simply beyond your ability should the subject at hand be something which you do not agree with? I guess if you have nothing to offer, no facts or historical context just toss some insults and pat yourself on the back for being "so witty."

Whatever

All I said was you need some new material. You're tried and true summer stock -- the Bolsheviks, Teddy Roosevelt, the Vietnam War, the CIA, a citizen of the world viewpoint -- has worn thin.  

 

[1975NQ]

2 hours ago, SteveAJones said:

All I said was you need some new material. You're tried and true summer stock -- the Bolsheviks, Teddy Roosevelt, the Vietnam War, the CIA, a citizen of the world viewpoint -- has worn thin.  

 

C'mon man, you like to rile him up. You get a kick out of it. It's pretty obvious, Just own it. 

I've noticed this forum is not always the warmest, most welcoming place with some of the "regulars". Which is fine. If someone is ignoring me, I just ignore them back - literally. Add em to my ignore list. Or if they say some stupid shit - they go on the list. It's an easy fix. 

[BobDobbs]

3 hours ago, SteveAJones said:

All I said was you need some new material. You're tried and true summer stock -- the Bolsheviks, Teddy Roosevelt, the Vietnam War, the CIA, a citizen of the world viewpoint -- has worn thin.  

 

I would appreciate it if you no longer reply to any of my posts if you cannot engage in civil, adult conversation.

Goodbye Steve

Edited January 17, 2022 by BobDobbs

[LedZeppfan1977]

On 9/30/2010 at 7:41 PM, JimmyPageZoSo56 said:

Extraterrestrials are out there for sure. You have to be naive to think that we are the ONLY Earth is the only planet in the universe with life on it. The Universe is expanding everyday. i just read an article in the paper that said scientists found a new plane much like Earth! http://www.startribune.com/science/104091908.html

 

 

I watch this show on history channel called Ancient Aliens and it has honestly blown my mind.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz_C6d6jbhc

Watch the videos..

 

Monsters like Big Foot, no. There has be no physical evidence that has proved of its existence. i personally think the show Monster Quest on the History Channel is a joke. They NEVER find ANYTHING that is conclusive evidence of any monster. All you have are eye witness accounts, so chances are its some guy trudging through the woods in a costume he got in the Halloween section of a retail store. Until there is absolute physical evidence, I don't believe it; and what I mean by physical evidence; fossilized remains, footprints that are actually worth value and can be cased, etc. So I will believe it when I see it.

 

Here is a classic example of why I do not believe in monsters.

 

http://www.mokelembembe.com/

 

where is the physical evidence? have they unearthed fossilized remains? no. any photos? no. All there is is eye witness accounts and people lie all the time. There are compulsive liars out there. So my question; how the fuck can a dinosaur still be living today? Scientists have a ton of evidence that proves dinosaurs became extinct during the late Cretaceous period so how could 1 possibly survived? it didn't. Until there is a good photo of this, I won't believe it.

Its difficult to prove something does NOT exist. There are so many accounts of Bigfoot it makes it hard to ignore. Now you believe in extraterrestrials.  You have stated that.  So do you believe they have been here?  There are many accounts of these orbs and spacecraft being in the same vicinity as Bigfoot sightings.  Some have suggested that perhaps they have been somehow controlled or interacted with the aliens.  If that were the case who knows what technology has been implemented to make them so elusive.  

Now the Patterson/Gimlin film, it has still not been disproven.  They cannot prove it to be a hoax.  So it is a form of proof. Its  a very good video from Bluff Creek in N CA shot in the last 1960's by the late Patterson and the still living Gimlin who is not budging on its reality. 

There are things in the ocean and maybe these deep remote lakes that we do not know about yet either.   Its truly possible.   

[Electrophile]

I don't think Bigfoot/Loch Ness monster or other similar fantastical creatures exist. It's a bit too silly to be logical. Life on other planets? Not in our solar system, but in other galaxies within the universe? Sure. Absolutely. Where there is liquid water, there is life. We can't be the only planet to be the right distance from its parent star to have liquid water.

[BobDobbs]

1 hour ago, Electrophile said:

I don't think Bigfoot/Loch Ness monster or other similar fantastical creatures exist. It's a bit too silly to be logical. Life on other planets? Not in our solar system, but in other galaxies within the universe? Sure. Absolutely. Where there is liquid water, there is life. We can't be the only planet to be the right distance from its parent star to have liquid water.

There are a few candidates for microbial and even possibly semi-complex life in the oceans of Europa. The whole moon is mostly a large, frozen over ocean and we have found such life in our own frozen over lakes & rivers in the Antarctic so it is possible. BTW when I say semi-complex I am talking something jellyfish like but not vertebrae creatures.

[SteveAJones]

On 1/17/2022 at 9:34 AM, 1975NQ said:

C'mon man, you like to rile him up. You get a kick out of it. It's pretty obvious, Just own it. 

I've noticed this forum is not always the warmest, most welcoming place with some of the "regulars". Which is fine. If someone is ignoring me, I just ignore them back - literally. Add em to my ignore list. Or if they say some stupid shit - they go on the list. It's an easy fix. 

Of course I do, but it's just part of the show and he knows that. I'm sure in real life I'd dislike him even more strongly than I do here.

On 1/17/2022 at 9:54 AM, BobDobbs said:

I would appreciate it if you no longer reply to any of my posts if you cannot engage in civil, adult conversation.

Goodbye Steve

Goodbye?! Come on, get over it. How would I ever find you again when your username inevitably changes?

Wait, I know. Look for familiar posting patterns...The Bolsheviks, Teddy Roosevelt, the Vietnam War, the CIA, a Citizen of the World viewpoint.

 

 

[1975NQ]

On 1/16/2022 at 5:28 AM, JohnOsbourne said:

100-150 years?  If America exists in its current form in 5 years I will be amazed.  Historically democracy is an aberration, it invariably degenerates into mob rule or tyranny (or in the case of the modern USA, both).  Add to that the fact that parasitical finance capital has just about sucked dry a formerly (immensely) productive free market system.  (That economic system is a residual of the classical liberal/republican ideas you refer you here.)  I don't know what comes next, but I do know that lies and corruption cannot be sustained for long, and the current American system does not even pretend to be honest anymore.  

This is a bit random, but have you head of Victor Davis Hanson? I have a feeling you might enjoy his work and viewpoints (Bob, if you're reading, I think you'd like him too). Here's an interview of him on YT. It's pretty long, but there are others online that are shorter. I agree with just about everything he says and think he'd be a huge bestseller if he could keep politics out of his books. Sharp, sharp guy. 

https://youtu.be/UKe_U6QSpi4

 

Edited January 21, 2022 by 1975NQ