mstork Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 I never think it was because of "stage fight". I think it's all about if he really wants to do it. Oh I agree totally. He's just been under the radar so long that everyone's guessing his motives. He's always known the value of mystique! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ro_a Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 "Cultural exchange" is the mask, enviro-socialism is the cause. I immediately see these events for what they are because I'm more than minimally educated, particularly in regards to history. It's being held on frigging Earth Day, by the way. Do a little independent research into Earth Day, the No War movement, and environmentalism. You might be surprised what you find. Then read up on carbon taxation (wealth redistribution) and you may become angry, unless you're enamored with enviro-socialism. I'm well aware of Robert's misguided ecological concerns which culminated in an association with Green Peace, but Jimmy's not politically left-wing oriented, he's a Tory, making his participation all the more disappointing. So I'm a right-wing American, you say?! Really? If you label me you negate me. http://www.youtube.c...feature=related and you speak as the Zionist banker's son does. As far as I'm concerned, you see things as they aren't. You are also owner of a lot of free time, or so it seems. As I ride my bike from place to place, people under-estimate my age by 10 years or more. I bought some Debbie Meyer brand Green Bags, that keep greens fresh by absorbing and removing ethylene gasses, keeping my spinach fresh for 3 weeks and beyond. I buy local when I can, I buy from progressive farms, organic products when possible. I never miss a chance to vote with what's left of my dollar. My green agenda is saving me money and keeping me healthy. Who cares if SteveAJones.com feat.Led Zeppelin thinks it's just about being perceived as politically correct? Meat is the next thing departing my body for good. Good riddance. PS: you wouldn't believe how many responses I've gotten from the advertisers and former advertisers of Fox News. ha ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 As I ride my bike from place to place, people under-estimate my age by 10 years or more. Well, I'm taking a jet and ordering a steak. Anyone who says different gets my carbon footprint on their ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ro_a Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Well, I'm taking a jet and ordering a steak. Anyone who says different gets my carbon footprint on their ass. SteveAJones.com feat. Led Zeppelin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledded1 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Without overdoing the politics or climate change stuff I want to see Jimmy back on the road. On the climate change/pollution stuff China have only recently taken over from the USA as the biggest polluter in the world. So would people have had the same argument if he had decided to play a show in the States? Just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryD Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 On the climate change/pollution stuff China have only recently taken over from the USA as the biggest polluter in the world. We're number 2 now? Damn! Don't tell that to the pro-pollution types in the global warming thread in Ramble On. They'll fill their tanks with ledded, oops leaded gas, and put the pedal to the metal just to spite the environmentalists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledded1 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 We're number 2 now? Damn! Don't tell that to the pro-pollution types in the global warming thread in Ramble On. They'll fill their tanks with ledded, oops leaded gas, and put the pedal to the metal just to spite the environmentalists. There would be no point in telling them. I know it must be hard to hear that the USA is running second in something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryD Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 I know it must be hard to hear that the USA is running second in something I'd be breathing alot easier if we were dead last! The air is so thick here today, visibility is about a half mile. But are people parking their cars and taking mass transit? Hell No!! We're Americans dammit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 On the climate change/pollution stuff China have only recently taken over from the USA as the biggest polluter in the world. So would people have had the same argument if he had decided to play a show in the States? If the show to be played was the same or similar enviro-socialist event my thoughts would certainly be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Without overdoing the politics or climate change stuff I want to see Jimmy back on the road. On the climate change/pollution stuff China have only recently taken over from the USA as the biggest polluter in the world. So would people have had the same argument if he had decided to play a show in the States? Just a thought Yes, I have had the same concern about China as I did during the 1970s. I admire China for its many strengths and attributes, but it would be unconscionable to overlook the areas that need improvement. For instance, better ways to resolve situations that involve substantial forfeiture and a decline in the quality of living conditions to those who are directly impacted by the construction of a stadium such as the Birds Nest, which is meant to showcase Jimmy Page to the elite in China and the world, would be on my agenda. Where are those who were evicted today? Are they still hidden away just barely getting by on the street? Or have they received some substantial benefit from the sacrifice they made so that Jimmy Page could play his guitar in China and write home about it? I am very happy that China can use Jimmy Page to promote peace, of course. An American resident of Beijing, Robert Bernell, launched Chinese-art.com, a photo-rich Web site, to showcase the new art coming out of China today. Bernell invites Chinese art experts to edit each issue of the online magazine. For now, however, it's available only outside China. Observers of the avant-garde scene agree the works are gradually becoming more fashionable and prettier, more personal and private in subject matter, and more professional in technique. "They've shifted from the grand themes, which the '80s avant-garde favored," Gao said. But he hopes China's artists will not turn away from social commentary. "They have to make something to inspire or stimulate the society or the people, and give them fresh air, rather than just images that follow the economy." cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/china.50/inside.china/art.overview/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexKx Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Um...I totally agree with SteveAJones. I think he is one of the smart people. He can probably do things like tell right from wrong. Know what's going on. And therefore come to conclusions that are FAR more logical than the absolute fantasies the Democratic Party/Obama-nation preach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 I believe I have stayed on topic in the issues I have discussed, yet it was not my intent to be perceived as bashing or passing judgement on anyone. I simply don't condone enviro-socialism. I realize Jimmy has always enjoyed his travels through the Far East & China but it would be interesting if he would articulate his motivation for being amongst the first to confirm his participation, given the underlying nature of this political event. 'Nuff said. I am less inhibited on the topic of contemporary China. I am far less inclined to look the other way when China demands forfeiture of property to promote its latest political agenda and leaves people suffering in the streets as a result. I think that improving the environment is a wonderful idea, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Fuck Jimmy Page! I wanna know about SteveAJones, thats what I visit LedZeppelin.com for, to learn about SteveAJones. I'm waiting for the DVD, should be spectacular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstork Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 and you speak as the Zionist banker's son does. As far as I'm concerned, you see things as they aren't. You are also owner of a lot of free time, or so it seems. As I ride my bike from place to place, people under-estimate my age by 10 years or more. I bought some Debbie Meyer brand Green Bags, that keep greens fresh by absorbing and removing ethylene gasses, keeping my spinach fresh for 3 weeks and beyond. I buy local when I can, I buy from progressive farms, organic products when possible. I never miss a chance to vote with what's left of my dollar. My green agenda is saving me money and keeping me healthy. Who cares if SteveAJones.com feat.Led Zeppelin thinks it's just about being perceived as politically correct? Meat is the next thing departing my body for good. Good riddance. PS: you wouldn't believe how many responses I've gotten from the advertisers and former advertisers of Fox News. ha ha. You're talking about personal choices, and good for you. I think Steve is referring to the environmental movement as a political entity, which is certainly different. As for Jimmy, this may not be THE perfect venue. But as long as he's not playing a tribute to Bin Laden I'm happy to see him playing on stage again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetTheLedOut4526 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Well, I'm taking a jet and ordering a steak. Anyone who says different gets my carbon footprint on their ass. Dick comment? So you think no one should take action just because you hate the politics behind it? "We've already harmed the planet and did our damage, instead of trying to change, let's just keep doing it!!" Let's just be thankful that Page is doing something! Sound good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Yes, it sounds good, but it is pointless to go into China with blinders on. China has experienced periods of revolution, and you cannot take things for granted there. Human Rights The China country reports in the State Department's 2008 Human Rights Practices and International Religious Freedom Reports noted China's well-documented and continuing abuses of human rights in violation of internationally recognized norms, stemming both from the authorities' intolerance of dissent and the inadequacy of legal safeguards for basic freedoms. Reported abuses have included arbitrary and lengthy incommunicado detention, forced confessions, torture, and mistreatment of prisoners as well as severe restrictions on freedom of speech, the press, assembly, association, religion, privacy, worker rights, and coercive birth limitation. China continues the monitoring, harassment, intimidation, and arrest of journalists, Internet writers, defense lawyers, religious activists, and political dissidents. The activities of non-governmental organizations (NGOs), especially those relating to the rule of law and expansion of judicial review, continue to be restricted. The Chinese Government recognizes five official religions--Buddhism, Islam, Taoism, Catholicism, and Protestantism--and seeks to regulate religious groups and worship. Religious believers who seek to practice their faith outside of state-controlled religious venues and unregistered religious groups and spiritual movements are subject to intimidation, harassment, and detention. In 2009, the Secretary of State again designated China as a "Country of Particular Concern" under the International Religious Freedom Act for particularly severe violations of religious freedom. At the same time, China's economic growth and reform since 1978 has dramatically improved the lives of hundreds of millions of Chinese, increased social mobility, and expanded the scope of personal freedom. This has meant substantially greater freedom of travel, employment opportunity, educational and cultural pursuits, job and housing choices, and access to information. In recent years, China has also passed new criminal and civil laws that provide additional safeguards to citizens. Village elections, though often procedurally flawed, have been carried out in over 90% of China's approximately one million villages. We have conducted 12 rounds of human rights dialogue with China since Tiananmen. During 2003 and 2004, no progress was made on the commitments China made at the 2002 dialogue, and we declined to schedule another round at that time. In July 2009, the United States and China affirmed our commitment to cooperate and enhance human rights issues through our human rights dialogue and other initiatives on the basis of equality and mutual respect. Both sides agreed to hold the next human rights dialogue before the year ends. Two significant and sensitive anniversaries were commemorated in 2009: March 10 marked the 50th anniversary of the 1959 Tibetan uprising, and June 4 marked the 20th anniversary of the crackdown on pro-democracy protests at Tiananmen Square in Beijing. On March 10, 2008, protests in Lhasa marking the 49th anniversary turned violent, and led to protests and unrest throughout Tibet and the majority-Tibetan areas in surrounding provinces. Several people have been tried and executed for their involvement in the riots, in which 19 people died, according to official news sources. Various other groups claim a much higher death toll. On July 5, 2009, ethnic violence erupted in Urumqi in Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region. The unrest continued in the following days, with Chinese state media reporting over 150 deaths and more than 1,000 injured. There was a significantly increased security presence in Urumqi and its surrounding areas and subsequently some mosques in Xinjiang were closed. traveldocs.com/cn/govern.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 So you think no one should take action just because you hate the politics behind it? Since you asked, I think enviro-socialism calls for the imposition of a global tyranny over every aspect of human activity which becomes evident once you strip away the rhetorical devices and eco-socialist jargon, such as "Show for Peace" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reids Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Since you asked, I think enviro-socialism calls for the imposition of a global tyranny over every aspect of human activity which becomes evident once you strip away the rhetorical devices and eco-socialist jargon, such as "Show for Peace" Well said, Steve. R:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gseehq Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Jimmy please don't do this gig. See here http://twitpic.com/unsyy/full Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Even with the negative aspects of authoritarian rule in China, this cultural event remains an excellent opportunity for China to learn about the music that Jimmy Page plays. But I agree that the concerns over treatment of people by the Chinese regime are understandable. There is a better way to do things than what has occurred. I do not see Jimmy Page's participation in this event as an approval of the cruel treatment of people that happens in some situations in China. This is an opportunity for learning and a chance to find out what the areas of agreement are. We already know that we cannot condone harsh treatment of people by those in power in China. Nor can we easily dismiss the issue or put it on the back burner the way China usually prefers to do. For us it is not loss of face that concerns us as much as losing sight of a way to improve human conditions. That said, it is important to recognize that allowing China to not lose face in this issue encourages the country to continue to listen to us and consider our point of view. Even though they do not always admit that they think about our expressed concerns, I believe they do weigh our impressions and opinions of them. They care about what we think even though they often do not let on. China wants very badly to look good in the eyes of the world. But to try to undo centuries of authoritarian rule overnight has resulted in bloody revolution in the past century, something that China understandably tries to discourage in a country inhabited by the world's largest population cluster. So there is a natural inertia to keep the status quo enough to keep the boat on an even keel. But all that in no way diminishes the human soul and need for dignity, kindness, and a commitment to improved communication and understanding in all areas of human conflict. This problem does not just disappear merely because people wish it would. It must be addressed and resolved in a way where the results are at least marginally satisfactory to the wronged individuals. China can appreciate the need for improved redress of grievances from the perspective that the country will be easier to govern when people believe they have a reasonable recourse to pursue when they think they have been wronged. Having better redress of grievances would mean more stability and less risk of revolution. So there is the practical side to improving human relations, even when democracy does not seem to fit with the strong tradition of authoritarian rule in China. It is important to keep the door to communication open with China. There are so many people there who could benefit from an improved exchange, and the world can learn a lot from China's rich history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gseehq Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Appreciate the ideals here but there is no moderation possible, or reasoning with this blood-soaked regime. The violence and oppression is relentless, ask Tibetans, they have had over five decades of experience of Chinese domination. Please Jimmy don't do this. More here: http://twitpic.com/unsyy/full Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie29 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Appreciate the ideals here but there is no moderation possible, or reasoning with this blood-soaked regime. The violence and oppression is relentless, ask Tibetans, they have had over five decades of experience of Chinese domination. Please Jimmy don't do this. More here: http://twitpic.com/unsyy/full You could always fly to Beijing and protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gseehq Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Imagine if you will another guitar legend Django Rheinhardt (one of Jimmy Page’s favourites) a jazz master of the 1930/40/50s performing his classic Nuages for the Nazi hierarchy at the 1936 Berlin Olympics. Or his other great inspiration, black blues legend BB King, agreeing to perform at an event organised by the Apartheid Regime of South Africa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Imagine if you will another guitar legend Django Rheinhardt (one of Jimmy Page's favourites) a jazz master of the 1930/40/50s performing his classic Nuages for the Nazi hierarchy at the 1936 Berlin Olympics. Or his other great inspiration, black blues legend BB King, agreeing to perform at an event organised by the Apartheid Regime of South Africa! The striking difference between post-Mao China and Russia or Germany in the 1930s is due to the difference between the geostrategy as conceived by Stalin or Hitler in the 1930s and as understood by the Chinese rulers today. In the 1930s the great leader, a man of genius, a superman, was to lead his army into battle, while his militarized country was to produce for him the biggest army possible. Every soldier or civilian was to be indoctrinated in a single faith, and dissenters were traitors. Today China has no need for the great leader to lead his army into battle. During the next world war, which may be over in minutes, the Chinese government are to watch it as a scientific experiment is watched today from an observation center. The rulers will be as impersonal as the scientists. Events such as "Show for Peace" help persuade those who aren't particularly sensitive to an absence of political freedom to feel themselves in China as in a free society - open, tolerant, diverse, dynamic, intensely alive, vibrant, comfortable, financially rewarding, enjoyable, scientifically and culturally stimulating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie29 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Jesse Owens competed at the 1936 Berlin Olympics and defeated the so called "Master Race" on their home turf. Every little bit of western exposure to Chinese culture and vise versa is a good thing and don't forget China is one of the oldest "modern" civilisations who are historically, a closed country to outsiders. It wasn't that long ago The Iron Curtain came crashing down with the Berlin Wall and that eventuated after trust was gained by both east and west due to cultural exchanges through music and art etc. While deprivation or sanctioning of countries i.e. South Africa apartheid regime, is effective, like the alternative only the people suffer. So if by Jimmy playing somehow strikes a chord (no pun intended) with the Chinese government to instigate improving of human rights for it's people, then bring it on. Who cares what the event is called as long as it's in the spirit of goodwill and progress. As Confucious said: "the longest part of any journey is the first step". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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