Anjin-san Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Hi all, Jimmy kicks this shit away with White Summer/Black Mountain Side from 1970 Julie Felix Show. I am not comparing the two.The point was RS should have said rock guitarists. And Al is not shit. KB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie29 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Which players?? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie29 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Even though he often shows up in these polls, Jerry Garcia is a very understated guitarist. I remember a friend asking me about him a few years ago, wondering why he's always mentioned along with the greats such as Page, Clapton, Duane, Beck, Hendrix, etc. I replied by saying how Garcia wasn't flashy, didn't really jump around on stage, play with his teeth or behind his neck, etc. but he still stood toe to toe with the very best of 'em. Several years ago, I saw Kenny Wayne Shepherd backed by Stevie Ray Vaughan's rhythm section (aka Double Trouble). Kenny spent the majority of his set posturing which I thought greatly detracted from his show. Great player but the showmanship aspect was way over the top. I've heard that Garcia gave Page some tips on pedal steel guitar back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahfin Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I've heard that Garcia gave Page some tips on pedal steel guitar back in the day. I remember reading the same thing. Not sure where now but I've definitely read that somewhere. Thing is, Garcia was a relative novice at the time but was apparently more familiar with the instrument than Page during that era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missytootsweet Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I know these are all opinions and therefore subjective, but does anyone else think that Pat Metheny should have hit this list? And I mean in the top half too. They do not say rock guitarists only and Willie Nelson is on the list. I am very disappointed that Rolling Stone would overlook someone of Pat Metheny's skill and artistic expression where he excels. For any not familiar, here is a sample of his early work and he is just as good on acoustic, imo. .....missy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSnmh-Jj1fI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom kid Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstork Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 For the love of god, it's sloppy, S-L-O-P-P-Y, not sloopy. We're not discussing posture here. Although maybe we should...because most of you are forgetting one major component to Jimmy's playing in concert. Unlike Eric Clapton, Duane Allman, Mick Taylor, and many other great guitarists, Jimmy Page wasn't just standing still with his guitar at the proper height. The fact is, considering the average rock musician of that era, Jimmy's technique was off the charts. Only a handful of players (Jimi, Eric, John McLaughlin, Duane, Jeff) were in Jimmy's class. That's why if you read any number of contemporary accounts of Led Zeppelin at that time, most made mention of Jimmy's superlative technique. Nobody complained about Jimmy being sloppy on the records, where Jimmy could concentrate on the playing alone. On stage, Jimmy struck a balance between musicianship and showmanship. Hence, the low-slung guitar and his zig-zagging and pirouetting around the stage. Was he going to strike every note pure while swerving and lurching this way and that, arching his back to the point of being horizontal to the stage? Hell no...but he hit enough of them and he was a helluva lot more fun to watch than the others, to boot! So when you're listening to a boot and hear a flub, keep in mind you're missing the visual component to Jimmy Page's live playing. It's likely that flub you heard was executed while doing deep knee bends and moonwalking across the stage on one foot with a heavy doubleneck strapped to his slender frame. Excellent post, you never hear this aspect of his playing mentioned when people jump on the "sloppy" bandwagon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstork Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I remember reading the same thing. Not sure where now but I've definitely read that somewhere. Thing is, Garcia was a relative novice at the time but was apparently more familiar with the instrument than Page during that era. I thought Jerry's pedal steel on "Teach Your Children" by CSNY was superlative, really excellent. And I'm not a big Deadhead or anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazedcat Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I know these are all opinions and therefore subjective, but does anyone else think that Pat Metheny should have hit this list? And I mean in the top half too. They do not say rock guitarists only and Willie Nelson is on the list. I am very disappointed that Rolling Stone would overlook someone of Pat Metheny's skill and artistic expression where he excels. For any not familiar, here is a sample of his early work and he is just as good on acoustic, imo. .....missy Good post Missy. I agree, Metheny should be on any best of list. The problem is RS's knowledge of jazz music is just as bad as most people. It's a pity these lists are so narrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahfin Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I thought Jerry's pedal steel on "Teach Your Children" by CSNY was superlative, really excellent. And I'm not a big Deadhead or anything... I agreed. I also love his pedal steel work on the first New Riders of the Purple Sage record. I've posted this clip before but this one doesn't seem to be of the same quality. At any rate, it's still worth a looksee. It's a clip of Garcia on pedal steel with the New Riders from the movie Last Days of the Fillmore. Good post Missy. I agree, Metheny should be on any best of list. The problem is RS's knowledge of jazz music is just as bad as most people. It's a pity these lists are so narrow. Considering the list of musicians that contributed to this list I wouldn't say their knowledge of jazz is bad at all. That said, I'm not sure why it wasn't more representative of jazz. In regards to Metheny, he came on my radar thanks to album rock radio back in the 70s. In those days, our local AOR station featured jazz fairly frequently, especially on a program called Triple Z Jazz which I guess was another word for Jazz Fusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazedcat Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 With Warren Haynes and Vernon Reid on the list of contributors, you would think the list might have been more inclusive of other genres. I wonder if RS editiors fine tuned the submissions. No matter, it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahfin Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Lots, if not all of the folks I saw listed are all very knowledgable of jazz and other genres but it's definitely skewed more towards rock, country and blues. I'm not sure if that was intentional or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-ocean87 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Buster B. Jones anyone? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZcU45GJnss&feature=related Or Tommy Jones?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-knesIn4Y1c Definitely two of the greatest ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-ocean87 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 At my list, Chet Atkins would be nr.1. Fortunately, he appears in this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahfin Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 For a list that so many supposedly hate so much it's more than a bit telling that it's generated 11 pages of responses and that's just at this board. Do an internet search for Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Guitarists and see just how many results you get. I think the main purpose of these lists (whether they're done by Rolling Stone or not) is to create discussion and debate. If so, they've certainly succeeded in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZeppfan77 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Keef is the man, enough said. Listen to a few live albums and come back to me. To say Richards is even in the same league with Page is absurd. I have heard it all dude. Page rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahfin Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 If Page ruled so much you'd think he'd actually put out a record or maybe even form a new band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in_the_evening Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 If Page ruled so much you'd think he'd actually put out a record or maybe even form a new band. Agreed. For God's sakes Pagey, stop re-treading! Death Wish 2 Collector's edition? C'mon..... Great discussion about the RS list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStairwayRemainsTheSame Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 If Page ruled so much you'd think he'd actually put out a record or maybe even form a new band. keyword being "ruled" there, promotes past tense. However this still stands as law: I also can't believe this debate is still going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom kid Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 To say Richards is even in the same league with Page is absurd. I have heard it all dude. Page rules. You can't compare Page and Richards really tbh. Two different styles of playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom kid Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Well I wouldn't necessarily agree that Page rules, but Keef wasn't even the best guitarist in the Stones, FFS. This may be true, but would they have been without his writing/rhythm playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahfin Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Where does one start with Johnny Thunders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom kid Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 ^ Nowhere. But on that basis, Keef has no more claim to being in the top 10 than Steve Jones or Johnny Thunders, IMO. Steve Jones or Johnny Thunders would have a hard time trying to play with Mick Taylor like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickey g Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Where does one start with Johnny Thunders? A Qaalude or two would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in_the_evening Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 This topic generated some interest, so I saw Time Magazine had a list of the ten best guitarists....let's see what they came up with: 1. Hendrix 2. Slash from GNR 3. B.B. King 4. Keith Richards 5. Clapton 6. Pagey 7. Chuck Berry 8. Les Paul 9. Malmsteen 10. Prince I have to say having Slash at 2 is interesting. His style was amazing when GNR first broke out. I like the inclusion of Les Paul and even Malmsteen. It's all relative i guess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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