nigelss Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Saw the film and noticed these musical cuts - Honey Bee segment cut from In My Time Of Dying. Jason Bonham singing a line from I Can't Quit You Baby. Let That Boy Boogie Woogie teaser in Whole Lotta Love. What do these all have in common? Not written by Led Zeppelin. What would be the impact of leaving them in the film? Having to pay royalties to someone! Makes sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledded1 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 WLL not originally written by Zep Nobody's fault but mine, not written by Zep Dazed and confused not written by Zep So I think your theory is a little lost here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledzepfilm Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Don't forget Plant chatter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenticus Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 sucks that those parts got cut....on WLL you don't notice it unless of course you've heard the boots, but at least the cut is clean. Dazed they like half-corrected that trainwreck but didn't go allthe way with correcting it......sucks I can't quit you babe got left off.....they put it on the led zep dvd in 2003 so i think they don't really care about royalties especially considering how loaded they are anyways......guess it was just artistic preference, would be cool if someone got to task dick carruthers or one of the guys about it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hecube Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Let me tell you that royalties for a major product like this would be very expensive so I think it makes sense that they cut the snippets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledzepfilm Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Hey, atleast its better than the edits in TSRTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie29 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 sucks that those parts got cut....on WLL you don't notice it unless of course you've heard the boots, but at least the cut is clean. Dazed they like half-corrected that trainwreck but didn't go allthe way with correcting it......sucks I can't quit you babe got left off.....they put it on the led zep dvd in 2003 so i think they don't really care about royalties especially considering how loaded they are anyways......guess it was just artistic preference, would be cool if someone got to task dick carruthers or one of the guys about it.... They never played ICQYB in it's entirety. Jason only sang the first line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenticus Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 They never played ICQYB in it's entirety. Jason only sang the first line. right and i'm saying on the Royal Albert Hall Footage on the Led Zep dvd, they showed all of I Can't Quit You Babe, C'Mon Everybody, and Something' Else, all of which are cover songs...maybe it's all something to do with all the snippets of cover songs were contained within songs aside from obviously I Can't Quit You Baby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hecube Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 right and i'm saying on the Royal Albert Hall Footage on the Led Zep dvd, they showed all of I Can't Quit You Babe, C'Mon Everybody, and Something' Else, all of which are cover songs...maybe it's all something to do with all the snippets of cover songs were contained within songs aside from obviously I Can't Quit You Baby? The way I see it, and this is pure speculation, is why pay for licences of song snippets that add nothing much to the show and must have been quite expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Knebs Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Paladia was playing TSRTS all night, didn't see anyone mention it yet. ...I think LZ had reached previous settlements on all the other plagarisms, not so on ICQYB and B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Without the cuts this ends up being a nearly three hour film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiser Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Led Zeppelin receive songwriting royalties for "WLL","IMTOD", & "NFBM" regardless if they're derived from other sources, that does hold true of "ICQYB" & "Honey Bee", the latter not even included on the BBC sessions when it could have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig_Paiste Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 So there was more to the show then was shown in the movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 So there was more to the show then was shown in the movie? Yes. Edited out are some of Robert's onstage comments, Honey Bee segment during IMTOD, a fragment of Dazed & Confused, Jason singing the first line of ICQYB, and a Let That Boy Boogie segment during Whole Lotta Love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelss Posted October 19, 2012 Author Share Posted October 19, 2012 Yes. Edited out are some of Robert's onstage comments, Honey Bee segment during IMTOD, a fragment of Dazed & Confused, Jason singing the first line of ICQYB, and a Let That Boy Boogie segment during Whole Lotta Love. I didn't mention Dazed & Confused in my original post. It got hacked around to sort out the train crash but I don't think it had additional copyrighted material removed. Please advise if wrong! I'm puzzled by your reference to the film pushing three hours without the cuts. The whole show with no musical cuts and full plantations comes in at roughly two hours ten minutes (cannot check now but around that time) as shown on the FourEyes version for example. I don't know how much this goes up if you include the full waiting time for them to come back on to do the encores, not that it really adds anything in my 'umble opinion. I do think it is a shame that the Honey Bee clip and the Let That Boy teaser got cut as they were a fundamental part of the flow of the music as performed on the night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelss Posted October 19, 2012 Author Share Posted October 19, 2012 They never played ICQYB in it's entirety. Jason only sang the first line. and that's probably enough to trigger a payment, particularly as it was the title line of the song and therefore a substantive part of the work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Historian Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Yes. Edited out are some of Robert's onstage comments, Honey Bee segment during IMTOD, a fragment of Dazed & Confused, Jason singing the first line of ICQYB, and a Let That Boy Boogie segment during Whole Lotta Love. Yes, and with all of those edits, (had they've been left in) would have been an additional 15-20 minutes tops.......NOT another hour. The small edit in WLL between Robert and Jimmy (let that boy boogie) only lasted about 30 sec. - 1 minute.......which is a great part of the tune/dynamic and interplay (live). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledded1 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Well they weren't on stage for 3 hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 I'm puzzled by your reference to the film pushing three hours without the cuts. The whole show with no musical cuts and full plantations comes in at roughly two hours ten minutes (cannot check now but around that time) as shown on the FourEyes version for example. I don't know how much this goes up if you include the full waiting time for them to come back on to do the encores, not that it really adds anything in my 'umble opinion. I see my flippant post is being taken literally; with no cuts whatsoever and end credits I imagine it would weigh in at about 2 hr 25 min. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZ77 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Yes. Edited out are some of Robert's onstage comments, Honey Bee segment during IMTOD, a fragment of Dazed & Confused, Jason singing the first line of ICQYB, and a Let That Boy Boogie segment during Whole Lotta Love. I have yet to see the film. Did they edit out the Plantation before "Kashmir" about being out in the perimeter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Yes, plus his comment about coming to see the hammer of the gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksgemini Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 I am not sure abt some of the cuts but the boogie chillin tease...I think less infromed people might have thought they did the whole thing and it was cut except for one line...I have never owned a boot and wouldnt especially of a charity show so if it wasnt for this board I wouldnt have even known abt the cuts...I would have assumed they cut a whole section out after the tease... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klepzep Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 #1: 'No acoustic set. Why?' #2: 'For your life' debuted live that night. Why it was never played in the 70's'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in_the_evening Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 sucks that those parts got cut....on WLL you don't notice it unless of course you've heard the boots, but at least the cut is clean. Dazed they like half-corrected that trainwreck but didn't go allthe way with correcting it......{chop} Why was Dazed a trainwreck? it's prob the song on the boots of O2 I listen to least. Was it really that bad? As far as corrections, I know Robert said they re-recorded a little of his singing in Kashmir. Was there anything else noticeable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksgemini Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 I think Jimmy missed his cue to come back into song...from what I heard on You Tube just now I guess thats what people mean...I didn;t think it was a train wreck at all....Live cd's have been fixed and edited in the studio for years now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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