favorite USA president?

[Del Zeppnile]

Washington and Lincoln naturally

I am a big fan of Teddy Roosevelt (not that Frankiln socialist)

It was during Nixon's administration that I became "Republican minded." (I figured the leftist hippy anti-war nut jobs can't be right, so Nixon must be)

Ronald Reagan has been the greatest President in my lifetime.

BTW, William McKinley was my Grandfather's cousin -- so I guess he makes the list too.

worst President in my lifetime was Jimmy Carter (and still making a fool of himself in the middle east just as we speak)

[bouncing~ship]

Did I say that..?

Do I what Vietnam's governmental situation before the war started? Understand? Yeah, I like to think so

Thats not true at all.

Then no one alive can understand the Civil War because we weren't there. We don't comprehend Reconstruction because we weren't there.

Maybe Andrew Johnson was a good president, you just had to be there

You want me to exaplain how he was charismatic...well I'll start off by saying he had charisma.

Smartassing aside, he knew how the charm the general public. He was a young good-looking man, with a good-looking wife. He was a great public speaker and the public got a sense of knowing him without meeting him.

Shall we go more in-depth or does that satisfy your curiosity?

To make the world a better place? We failed...and ended up making it worse...

Score one for Kennedy

I guess you will just have to get a bit older to understand.

so you don't know then, what Vietnam was going through before the U.S stepped in?

(did you know most troops died because friendly fire and drug use?)

People alive know about the civil war and believe what happened...it's in the history books...somebody came out victorious no?

kennedy was killed? no?...for a reason...don't you think?(try finding that out...the reason)

look what he started with on space exploration...Just that alone opens eyes and pleases the people(kinda makes people wanna dream...don't you think?). to be honest, i don't really care if he was a good president or not. your evidence is weak, therefor you shouldn't me trash talking him.

and you thinking that we failed on making the world a better place? we are still in the process of doing that...It can't just happen over night. I don't know how you choose not to see that.

[solar]

I think we completely failed as a nation during the Vietnam war, everything from the war protest and the actual fighting of the war itself. The biggest thing we did wrong as a country, was how our vets were treated when they got home. The world is not safer because of the Vietnam war, but thats the major reason we have to finish the fight in Iraq wrong or right we have to make sure we leave the world in a better place then it was before we go there. Vietnam was a war we could not of won, for the fact that winning was not seen as a good thing.

Kennedy was just a good looking face, with a great talent as a speaker, I don't think he hurt our country, but he definitely didn't help it. I do like his foresight into space exploration.

Of course, Eisenhower was the first to deploy military advisers to Vietnam and funded a lot of the early conflict. The Domino Theory began with his term. So fault Kennedy all you want about being the first to send troops, but he was acting at the behest of Ike's advisors there and following those policies enacted during the '50s.

As for favorite presidents, I favor the obscure facts to determine mine rather than policies and court cases, many of which didn't have anything to do with the president himself:

Grover Cleveland - only nonconsecutive two-term president

Rutherford B. Hayes - his wife, Lemonade Lucy, banned alcohol in the White House

William Howard Taft - fattest president (installed a new bathtub in the WH because he couldnt fit in the other); went on to realize his dream of being a Supreme Court justice after, the only president to hold the position

William Henry Harrison - shortest term ever; died of pneumonia after a month because he didn't think wearing a jacket to his March inauguration in DC was necessary

Warren G. Harding - I'd like to name my first-born Gamaliel, his middle name

[bouncing~ship]

Of course, Eisenhower was the first to deploy military advisers to Vietnam and funded a lot of the early conflict. The Domino Theory began with his term. So fault Kennedy all you want about being the first to send troops, but he was acting at the behest of Ike's advisors there and following those policies enacted during the '50s.

As for favorite presidents, I favor the obscure facts to determine mine rather than policies and court cases, many of which didn't have anything to do with the president himself:

Grover Cleveland - only nonconsecutive two-term president

Rutherford B. Hayes - his wife, Lemonade Lucy, banned alcohol in the White House

William Howard Taft - fattest president (installed a new bathtub in the WH because he couldnt fit in the other); went on to realize his dream of being a Supreme Court justice after, the only president to hold the position

William Henry Harrison - shortest term ever; died of pneumonia after a month because he didn't think wearing a jacket to his March inauguration in DC was necessary

Warren G. Harding - I'd like to name my first-born Gamaliel, his middle name

Thank you Solar!!!!!!!!!!!! You are the man!!! Im loving that hat brother!!!

this kid thinks kennedy acted by himself...meanwhile...it's like what you said...The domino effect.

Let's hope this kid reads this.

[Pb Derigable]

Of course, Eisenhower was the first to deploy military advisers to Vietnam and funded a lot of the early conflict. The Domino Theory began with his term. So fault Kennedy all you want about being the first to send troops, but he was acting at the behest of Ike's advisors there and following those policies enacted during the '50s.

In my post I didn't fault kennedy for the Vietnam confilict happening, I just fault him for the troubles it cost us during the war. Yes he had his hands tied as president, but that is no ecscuse for screwing things up. If Ike was still president, we would've been outa there by 1969.

Thank you Solar!!!!!!!!!!!! You are the man!!! Im loving that hat brother!!!

this kid thinks kennedy acted by himself...meanwhile...it's like what you said...The domino effect.

Let's hope this kid reads this.

Don't call me a kid.

[Gainsbarre]

Washington-set our country on the right path, we could use more "What Would Washington Do?" in politics today

Ah, man, I'm absolutely sick to death of that phrase "What would Washington do" "What would Jesus do"...

You know, Jesus even said it himself: "Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right?"

Asking what Jesus would do or what Washington or anybody else for that matter would do, is indicative of a society that can't think for itself.

Who knows what Washington would've done, he's long since dead, he's not dealing with our times and our situation, we have to decide for ourselves.

What would Jesus do? Well, for a start, if his teachings are to be believed, then he wouldn't have started the Iraq war or agree to the death penalty...

So what did Jesus do? Well he preached a lot about loving your neighbourg, let himself get picked up by the Romans and tortured...which was fine for his plan, but he didn't rise up and become leader of Israel, he was not in the position where tough decisions had to be made.

He said, if someone slaps your face, turn the other cheek...well if you're the leader of a country who's capital city has just been bombed by another country, do you follow Jesus's morality and turn the other cheek? Do you say "Here, target another city, invade us if you will". I don't know too many people who would support a leader with that sort of morality.

[zosodude13]

Ah, man, I'm absolutely sick to death of that phrase "What would Washington do" "What would Jesus do"...

You know, Jesus even said it himself: "Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right?"

Asking what Jesus would do or what Washington or anybody else for that matter would do, is indicative of a society that can't think for itself.

Who knows what Washington would've done, he's long since dead, he's not dealing with our times and our situation, we have to decide for ourselves.

What would Jesus do? Well, for a start, if his teachings are to be believed, then he wouldn't have started the Iraq war or agree to the death penalty...

So what did Jesus do? Well he preached a lot about loving your neighbourg, let himself get picked up by the Romans and tortured...which was fine for his plan, but he didn't rise up and become leader of Israel, he was not in the position where tough decisions had to be made.

He said, if someone slaps your face, turn the other cheek...well if you're the leader of a country who's capital city has just been bombed by another country, do you follow Jesus's morality and turn the other cheek? Do you say "Here, target another city, invade us if you will". I don't know too many people who would support a leader with that sort of morality.

where did I say in my post that we need a politician who is like Jesus?

washington gave us some ideas to follow after his farewell address, including staying out of foriegn affairs and warning us about political parties

it would be hard to say what he would have done today, but I think he would have thought Iraq and Vietnam were probably bad ideas... he even stayed out of a war between France and Britian and declaired neutrality

on the other hand, he would have supported WWII, since our nation was attacked directly and we took action we were threatened and we responded... something Washington was very much in favor of

Vietnam and Iraq were wars due to indirect conflict and both will be viewed negativly...and Washington had good enough sense to keep us out of trouble when we were a young nation, and he would have kept it that way even when we are a world power today

[wanna be drummer]

I guess you will just have to get a bit older to understand.

so you don't know then, what Vietnam was going through before the U.S stepped in?

(did you know most troops died because friendly fire and drug use?)

Where did I say I didn't know anything about Vietnam? Your original post made absolutely no sense. Perhaps you shoudl rewrite it.

And if we're talking about American soldiers then thats simply not true.

http://www.archives.gov/research/vietnam-w...tics.html#causeGun, Small Arms Fire 18,518

Multiple Fragmentary Wounds 8,456

Air Loss, Crash on Land 7,992

Other Explosive Devices 7,450

Artillery, Rocket or Mortar 4,914

Other Accident 1,371

Misadventure 1,326

Drowned, Suffocated 1,207

Vehicle Loss, Crash 1,187

Accidental Homicide 944

Accidental Self Destruction 842

Other Causes 754

Air Loss, Crash in Sea 577

Burns 530

Illness, Disease 482

Suicide 382

Heart Attack 273

Intentional Homicide 234

Malaria 118

Bomb Explosion 52

Stroke 42

Hepatitis 22

Unknown, Not Reported 520

Total 58,193

People alive know about the civil war and believe what happened...it's in the history books...somebody came out victorious no?

Christ you missed my point. My point was that I don't have to live in an era to understand the era. The history books speak for Kennedy, not how one person felt during that stage in history.

kennedy was killed? no?...for a reason...don't you think?(try finding that out...the reason)

look what he started with on space exploration...Just that alone opens eyes and pleases the people(kinda makes people wanna dream...don't you think?). to be honest, i don't really care if he was a good president or not. your evidence is weak, therefor you shouldn't me trash talking him.

Where did this come from??

And no one knows for sure how or why Kennedy died (I've done my homework there, have you?)

And what "evidence" of mine is weak? I produced facts. Its 100% that he made the US involved in Vietnam, and he plotted the failed Castro-overthrow known as the Bay of Pigs.

Those are facts. Helping us in the space race does not excuse one of those.

Maybe you should get your priorities straight. I'd rather have those 60,000 men still alive, than have NASA

and you thinking that we failed on making the world a better place? we are still in the process of doing that...It can't just happen over night. I don't know how you choose not to see that.

What the hell are you talking about? We failed in "making the world a better palce" in Vietnam. We've helped the world in many ways, but in Vietnam specifically, we fucked up. Between 2 to 3 million people died in that war. He didn't make up for any of that.

Sir, your posts are sporadic and insensible at best. You need to back up, reread this entire thread, than come back and make a response. I'm done with this conversation if you're simply going to pull random spurts of information out of your ass (where the hell did I start talking about his assassination?) that do not have any relevance to what we're talking about.

[redrum]

Nixon-no reason but the 70's were GREAT!!!

Nixon got us out of Vietnam. His first year in he started withdrawing troops. He also got the NVA to the peace table by bombing the hell out of them. Of course they waited til we were gone to subjugate the south.

Kennedy-If you were around when he was you would know why.

He was partially responsible for getting us into the Vietnam quagmire along with that bum LBJ.

Washington--He put the hurt on the Hessians at Trenton.

Teddy Roosevelt---For his conservation.

Eisenhower--I still like Ike.

Reagan---For dropping the bombs on Khaddafi.

NObama

[wanna be drummer]

He was partially responsible for getting us into the Vietnam quagmire along with that bum LBJ.

But the times were fun, so who cares?

[redrum]

But the times were fun, so who cares?

The times they were a changin'.

[solar]

Many would opine that both Kennedys died because their father, Joe -- a noted whiskey bootlegger in the Prohibition Era -- helped fix the election with his Mafia friends, then watched as John and Bobby systematically attacked La Cosa Nostra once installed in power.

[Ringwraith]

Nixon.

He had his flaws but he was a man who stuck to his ideals no matter what.

A good writer too.

[Mangani]

FDR.

By a looooooooooooooooooooong way.

[Pb Derigable]

Many would opine that both Kennedy's died because their father, Joe -- a noted whiskey bootlegger in the Prohibition Era -- helped fix the election with his Mafia friends, then watched as John and Bobby systematically attacked La Cosa Nostra once installed in power.

Long story but good,

The guy who helped write the script for good-fellas once told a story about his father. His father was mobster who taught his two sons to say, "I don't no anything about it" when asked about the family or the family business. Well one son ask how would i know to keep quiet. The father said that you will feel it in your belly. Well many years later, the father was called to the school about their sons misbehaving. When the father got there, the teacher said they were playing dumb and causing a disruption in class. The father asked how were they playing dumb? The teacher said he asked his two sons,"who killed Kennedy" and the two sons replied, I don't know nothing about that. The son said later he never saw a bigger smile on his father face.

[Uncle Bill]

A few quotes from my favorite before my time;

Jefferson:

"Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness] it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government.."

"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

in my lifetime;

Reagan:

" In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves. "

"Man is not free unless government is limited."

[redrum]

FDR.

I'll give FRD and Truman a vote, but only because they stood up to fascism and communism.

[wanna be drummer]

I'll give FRD and Truman a vote, but only because they stood up to fascism and communism.

Hasn't it been theorized that Truman may have had some Commy friends in his Administration or something?

[bouncing~ship]

In my post I didn't fault kennedy for the Vietnam confilict happening, I just fault him for the troubles it cost us during the war. Yes he had his hands tied as president, but that is no ecscuse for screwing things up. If Ike was still president, we would've been outa there by 1969.

Don't call me a kid.

I was not calling you a kid man...It was intended for the wannabe drummer.

lifes not all about you!!! lol I kid I kid.

[dragster]

My favourite U.S. Presidents were all murdered!

[Gainsbarre]

It was during Nixon's administration that I became "Republican minded." (I figured the leftist hippy anti-war nut jobs can't be right, so Nixon must be)

hahaha

So you went with the lying, cheating, morally corrupt criminal President, who according to Kissinger memos, was often too high on prescription medication to come to the phone?

Nixon was by no means an intelligent man, just corrupt. It was a dirty administration. Look at Kissinger, he can't travel to France, Spain, Brazil, Chile or Argentina, because all of those countries want him for questioning over Operation Condor...And Kissinger was about the only one who came out of Watergate unscathed, yet he can't travel to Spain because he would probably be arrested... Great administration that one....

[ally]

In my lifetime it would have to be Ronald Reagan. I admired his conviction to a strong America and his commitment to protecting the free world. Anyone who thinks that the world is a better place with a weak America, needs to have a serious rethink

[Gainsbarre]

In my lifetime it would have to be Ronald Reagan. I admired his conviction to a strong America and his commitment to protecting the free world. Anyone who thinks that the world is a better place with a weak America, needs to have a serious rethink

Ah yes, the Reagan years, protecting the free world, the years that saw a resurgence in and steadfast partnership of US-orientated military dictatorships around the world...

What made me laugh is when Reagan died, all the ridiculous eulogies that started coming from people, how Reagan was responsible for the collapse of the Soviet Union, for Middle East Peace, for Pope John Paul II getting elected, for suggesting to Dylan that he go electric, for discovering Gary Coleman...

Frankly, anything that happened in the 80's was attributed to Reagan...

And before anyone suggests otherwise, it was Gorbachev who brought down the USSR...not Reagan, not Thatcher, not the Pope...It was a complete inside job...

[ally]

I never credited him with any of that in my post. After the 70's the USA and the West needed a strong leader. He was the right choice at the time. IMHO

[wanna be drummer]

I don't know if it was entirely an inside job. I think Reagan and the Pope both deserve their due and credit