SteveAJones Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 I must say given all the hype his speech in Berlin earlier today was dull and uninspiring. His opening comment he came not as candidate for President of the United States but merely as a citizen of the world was an insult to anyone with intelligence, and made it difficult to believe a word he said for the remainder of the speech. He tried hard to impress, invoking JFK and Reagan, but this seemed only to highlight just how unaccomplished he is. The most appropriate comment is the one he did not make: "Ich ein bin beginner". "This is the moment...this is the moment...this is the moment..." had me wondering if the Rev Wright wrote the speech, for repetition of these words sounded like a church revival meeting as opposed to a serious proclamation of the state of the world. A self-serving, Harvard-educated internationalist eager to pander to environmentalists and get elected, nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabe Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 It's looking like his 15 minutes might turn in to four years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed Racer Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Unbelievable. Another political thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainsbarre Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 I must say given all the hype his speech in Berlin earlier today was dull and uninspiring. His opening comment he came not as candidate for President of the United States but merely as a citizen of the world was an insult to anyone with intelligence, and made it difficult to believe a word he said for the remainder of the speech. Yeah I have to agree with you, it sounded a bit cliché and a little patronising. Kennedy's speech had conviction and was sincere, whereas Obama's sounded a little "man, this is gonna win me votes!" I just wish somebody could tell me why the hell he is there in the first place??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Bill Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 He ventured forth to bring light to the world The anointed one's pilgrimage to the Holy Land is a miracle in action - and a blessing to all his faithful followers Gerard Baker And it came to pass, in the eighth year of the reign of the evil Bush the Younger (The Ignorant), when the whole land from the Arabian desert to the shores of the Great Lakes had been laid barren, that a Child appeared in the wilderness. The Child was blessed in looks and intellect. Scion of a simple family, offspring of a miraculous union, grandson of a typical white person and an African peasant. And yea, as he grew, the Child walked in the path of righteousness, with only the occasional detour into the odd weed and a little blow. When he was twelve years old, they found him in the temple in the City of Chicago, arguing the finer points of community organisation with the Prophet Jeremiah and the Elders. And the Elders were astonished at what they heard and said among themselves: “Verily, who is this Child that he opens our hearts and minds to the audacity of hope?” In the great Battles of Caucus and Primary he smote the conniving Hillary, wife of the deposed King Bill the Priapic and their barbarian hordes of Working Class Whites. And so it was, in the fullness of time, before the harvest month of the appointed year, the Child ventured forth - for the first time - to bring the light unto all the world. He travelled fleet of foot and light of camel, with a small retinue that consisted only of his loyal disciples from the tribe of the Media. He ventured first to the land of the Hindu Kush, where the Taleban had harboured the viper of al-Qaeda in their bosom, raining terror on all the world. And the Child spake and the tribes of Nato immediately loosed the Caveats that had previously bound them. And in the great battle that ensued the forces of the light were triumphant. For as long as the Child stood with his arms raised aloft, the enemy suffered great blows and the threat of terror was no more. From there he went forth to Mesopotamia where he was received by the great ruler al-Maliki, and al-Maliki spake unto him and blessed his Sixteen Month Troop Withdrawal Plan even as the imperial warrior Petraeus tried to destroy it. And lo, in Mesopotamia, a miracle occurred. Even though the Great Surge of Armour that the evil Bush had ordered had been a terrible mistake, a waste of vital military resources and doomed to end in disaster, the Child's very presence suddenly brought forth a great victory for the forces of the light. And the Persians, who saw all this and were greatly fearful, longed to speak with the Child and saw that the Child was the bringer of peace. At the mention of his name they quickly laid aside their intrigues and beat their uranium swords into civil nuclear energy ploughshares. From there the Child went up to the city of Jerusalem, and entered through the gate seated on an ass. The crowds of network anchors who had followed him from afar cheered “Hosanna” and waved great palm fronds and strewed them at his feet. In Jerusalem and in surrounding Palestine, the Child spake to the Hebrews and the Arabs, as the Scripture had foretold. And in an instant, the lion lay down with the lamb, and the Israelites and Ishmaelites ended their long enmity and lived for ever after in peace. As word spread throughout the land about the Child's wondrous works, peoples from all over flocked to hear him; Hittites and Abbasids; Obamacons and McCainiacs; Cameroonians and Blairites. And they told of strange and wondrous things that greeted the news of the Child's journey. Around the world, global temperatures began to decline, and the ocean levels fell and the great warming was over. The Great Prophet Algore of Nobel and Oscar, who many had believed was the anointed one, smiled and told his followers that the Child was the one generations had been waiting for. And there were other wonderful signs. In the city of the Street at the Wall, spreads on interbank interest rates dropped like manna from Heaven and rates on credit default swaps fell to the ground as dead birds from the almond tree, and the people who had lived in foreclosure were able to borrow again. Black gold gushed from the ground at prices well below $140 per barrel. In hospitals across the land the sick were cured even though they were uninsured. And all because the Child had pronounced it. And this is the testimony of one who speaks the truth and bears witness to the truth so that you might believe. And he knows it is the truth for he saw it all on CNN and the BBC and in the pages of The New York Times. Then the Child ventured forth from Israel and Palestine and stepped onto the shores of the Old Continent. In the land of Queen Angela of Merkel, vast multitudes gathered to hear his voice, and he preached to them at length. But when he had finished speaking his disciples told him the crowd was hungry, for they had had nothing to eat all the hours they had waited for him. And so the Child told his disciples to fetch some food but all they had was five loaves and a couple of frankfurters. So he took the bread and the frankfurters and blessed them and told his disciples to feed the multitudes. And when all had eaten their fill, the scraps filled twelve baskets. Thence he travelled west to Mount Sarkozy. Even the beauteous Princess Carla of the tribe of the Bruni was struck by awe and she was great in love with the Child, but he was tempted not. On the Seventh Day he walked across the Channel of the Angles to the ancient land of the hooligans. There he was welcomed with open arms by the once great prophet Blair and his successor, Gordon the Leper, and his successor, David the Golden One. And suddenly, with the men appeared the archangel Gabriel and the whole host of the heavenly choir, ranks of cherubim and seraphim, all praising God and singing: “Yes, We Can.” source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotplant Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Yeah I have to agree with you, it sounded a bit cliché and a little patronising. Kennedy's speech had conviction and was sincere, whereas Obama's sounded a little "man, this is gonna win me votes!" I just wish somebody could tell me why the hell he is there in the first place??? Because he CAN. I wasn't particularly moved by his speech. But you can't deny it was a great PR moment. The pics and all. He's on a roll that old fart mccain can never outdo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medhb Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Yeah I have to agree with you, it sounded a bit cliché and a little patronising. Kennedy's speech had conviction and was sincere, whereas Obama's sounded a little "man, this is gonna win me votes!" I just wish somebody could tell me why the hell he is there in the first place??? Gains...let's sit down and have a little talk. Ya see there're birds....and there are bees... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireOpal Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Hey Uncle Bill, thank you for posting The Times piece - satire at its finest, love it. I read it earlier this morning and just laughed out loud. It's going to go down a classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainsbarre Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Gains...let's sit down and have a little talk. Ya see there're birds....and there are bees... Very funny... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del Zeppnile Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 What a shameless pander for votes this Obama speech was. Really embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit_ Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 What a shameless pander for votes this Obama speech was. Really embarrassing. Yeah,.. it's shameless how Obama was in Berlin pandering for all those German votes,.. huh Del? "People of Berlin - people of the world - this is our moment. This is our time." "This is the moment when we must defeat terror and dry up the well of extremism that supports it. This threat is real and we cannot shrink from our responsibility to combat it. If we could create NATO to face down the Soviet Union, we can join in a new and global partnership to dismantle the networks that have struck in Madrid and Amman; in London and Bali; in Washington and New York. If we could win a battle of ideas against the communists, we can stand with the vast majority of Muslims who reject the extremism that leads to hate instead of hope. I know my country has not perfected itself. At times, we've struggled to keep the promise of liberty and equality for all of our people. We've made our share of mistakes, and there are times when our actions around the world have not lived up to our best intentions. But I also know how much I love America. I know that for more than two centuries, we have strived - at great cost and great sacrifice - to form a more perfect union; to seek, with other nations, a more hopeful world. Our allegiance has never been to any particular tribe or kingdom - indeed, every language is spoken in our country; every culture has left its imprint on ours; every point of view is expressed in our public squares. What has always united us - what has always driven our people; what drew my father to America's shores - is a set of ideals that speak to aspirations shared by all people: that we can live free from fear and free from want; that we can speak our minds and assemble with whomever we choose and worship as we please. These are the aspirations that joined the fates of all nations in this city. These aspirations are bigger than anything that drives us apart. It is because of these aspirations that the airlift began. It is because of these aspirations that all free people - everywhere - became citizens of Berlin. It is in pursuit of these aspirations that a new generation - our generation - must make our mark on the world. People of Berlin - and people of the world - the scale of our challenge is great. The road ahead will be long. But I come before you to say that we are heirs to a struggle for freedom. We are a people of improbable hope. With an eye toward the future, with resolve in our hearts, let us remember this history, and answer our destiny, and remake the world once again." Face it, Delbert.. you're really embarrassed for McCain's candidacy,.. ..and for what your sub-mediocre candidate says about your party. ..huh? Mac-n-Cheese McBush-mobile McNapTime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed Racer Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 Yeah,.. it's shameless how Obama was in Berlin pandering for all those German votes,.. huh Del? "People of Berlin - people of the world - this is our moment. This is our time." "This is the moment when we must defeat terror and dry up the well of extremism that supports it. This threat is real and we cannot shrink from our responsibility to combat it. If we could create NATO to face down the Soviet Union, we can join in a new and global partnership to dismantle the networks that have struck in Madrid and Amman; in London and Bali; in Washington and New York. If we could win a battle of ideas against the communists, we can stand with the vast majority of Muslims who reject the extremism that leads to hate instead of hope. I know my country has not perfected itself. At times, we've struggled to keep the promise of liberty and equality for all of our people. We've made our share of mistakes, and there are times when our actions around the world have not lived up to our best intentions. But I also know how much I love America. I know that for more than two centuries, we have strived - at great cost and great sacrifice - to form a more perfect union; to seek, with other nations, a more hopeful world. Our allegiance has never been to any particular tribe or kingdom - indeed, every language is spoken in our country; every culture has left its imprint on ours; every point of view is expressed in our public squares. What has always united us - what has always driven our people; what drew my father to America's shores - is a set of ideals that speak to aspirations shared by all people: that we can live free from fear and free from want; that we can speak our minds and assemble with whomever we choose and worship as we please. These are the aspirations that joined the fates of all nations in this city. These aspirations are bigger than anything that drives us apart. It is because of these aspirations that the airlift began. It is because of these aspirations that all free people - everywhere - became citizens of Berlin. It is in pursuit of these aspirations that a new generation - our generation - must make our mark on the world. People of Berlin - and people of the world - the scale of our challenge is great. The road ahead will be long. But I come before you to say that we are heirs to a struggle for freedom. We are a people of improbable hope. With an eye toward the future, with resolve in our hearts, let us remember this history, and answer our destiny, and remake the world once again." Face it, Delbert.. you're really embarrassed for McCain's candidacy,.. ..and for what your sub-mediocre candidate says about your party. ..huh? Mac-n-Cheese McBush-mobile McNapTime? :hysterical: :hysterical: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pb Derigable Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 If I was a citizen of Germany, I would want Obama to be POTUS If I was a citizen of Mexico, I would want Obama to be POTUS If I was a citizen of China, I would want Obama to be POTUS If I was a citizen of North Korea, I would want Obama to be POTUS If I was a citizen of Venezula, I would want Obama to be POTUS If I was a citizen of Cuba, I would want Obama to be POTUS If I was a citizen of Iran, I would want Obama to be POTUS If I was a member of Al Queda, I would want Obama to be POTUS If I was a member of Hamas, I would want Obama to be POTUS but If I was a citizen of the United States, I would want Obama to run those countires not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanna be drummer Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 Unbelievable. Another political thread. Yeah, maybe we should have more random threads to boost our intelligence right? Or what about a Speed Racer thread? YEAH! You don't like it, leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanna be drummer Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 People of Berlin - people of the world - this is our moment. This is our time."People of the world? Congratz Obama, you went to Germany. Now go visit Zimbabwe and maybe I'll be impressed Yeah, because I care about who the Germans want for President How inspiring...a picture with a sunset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medhb Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 Hermit, a picture speaks a thousand words. Great post!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electrophile Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 Unbelievable. Another political thread. Yeah see, we're allowed to talk about politics here. Sorry that bothers you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed Racer Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 Yeah see, we're allowed to talk about politics here. Sorry that bothers you. Doesn't bother me smart ass. Was just an observation. Deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electrophile Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 If it didn't at the very least annoy you, you wouldn't have said anything. We like to discuss politics here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed Racer Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 If it didn't at the very least annoy you, you wouldn't have said anything. We like to discuss politics here. When it annoys me I will let you know so you can make an issue of it ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medhb Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 Very funny... Very pleased to be able to amuse you Gains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medhb Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 When it annoys me I will let you know so you can make an issue of it ok? OK LedBaby. Let's see how long you last this time. You started out slow, now yer gettin on yer roll...I imagine it won't be long until you have lot's of annoyances and will eventually skid out of control and be banned again... Just my humble opinion of course. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and still am. We'll see where this goes..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed Racer Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 OK LedBaby. Let's see how long you last this time. You started out slow, now yer gettin on yer roll...I imagine it won't be long until you have lot's of annoyances and will eventually skid out of control and be banned again... Just my humble opinion of course. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and still am. We'll see where this goes..... I never commented about you or to you. And I have no idea what your talking about. Electrophile made several wise cracks and I cracked back. To me it's no big deal. I don't have time to argue with you either. I am not the only person here who politics is a sore spot with. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanna be drummer Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 I never commented about you or to you. And I have no idea what your talking about. Electrophile made several wise cracks and I cracked back. To me it's no big deal. I don't have time to argue with you either. I am not the only person here who politics is a sore spot with. Simple. Then why comment in a political thread with a very stupid post? (i.e. your first post) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medhb Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 Then why comment in a political thread with a very stupid post? (i.e. your first post) Yeah, no probs Speedracer. You aren't causing me any angst. However, if you don't want to read about politics or have an informed opinion just don't read these threads! As you already know, Electrophile is a very strong, opinionated woman. If you treat her with respect you will get respect back. As with everyone on this board. I didn't mean to disrepect you with my post and hope it wasn't taken that way. I just see you speeding ahead to full steam and don't want you to blow a gasket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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