ZepFanatic Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 The Knebworth shows, in general, were abysmal. But it had its moments. The tour over Europe was an awesome tour. Achilles, Trampled, SIBLY and Kashmir were all great. Agreed...1980 was WAY better than 1979, hands down (with some exceptional moments, of course...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyPageZoSo56 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Knebworth was way better than Berlin 1980!!! Way way way better. I don't like the 1980 tour. The worst ever. Jimmy was on drugs like hell. But Roberts voice started getting better and he could sing the ending from Stairway! I think drugs affected him in a positive way. Not all the time but he always played really well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZepFanatic Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I think drugs affected him in a positive way. Not all the time but he always played really well. Umm...the 1977 North American Tour would like to talk to you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyPageZoSo56 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) Umm...the 1977 North American Tour would like to talk to you... I personally, didn't think he played as bad as everyone thinks he did. Just my opinion. Of course he was still sloppy but he had good days. But you did put the "not all the time" in bold either. Edited February 5, 2009 by JimmyPageZoSo56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZepFanatic Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I personally, didn't think he played as bad as everyone thinks he did. Just my opinion. Of course he was still sloppy but he had good days. But you did put the "not all the time" in bold either. Well you were saying that while the drugs didn't "help" him "all the time", he still "played really well"...which is not true. There are quite a few amazing shows from 1977 but so many more where he is at his sloppiest and least-creative (again, with exceptions) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZepFanatic Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Nah I'm not fighting, just splitting hairs... and yes, sorry for hijacking the thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I was enjoying it, just was able to use those "options" for the first time! It seems obvious that the longest Stairway was not the best Stairway! I preferred the 75 or 71 (before the song was released) versions most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZepFanatic Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I agree, post-75 the song seems tired...and it's no secret Plant hated it and wanted to either not sing it or do a reggae version of it from 1979 to the end...can't say I blame him, it gets worn out after a while... The versions from 5/24/75 Earls Court and 7/17/77 are fucking amazing, though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I've always enjoyed the STH guitar solo from Berlin 1980. There's alot of melodic riffs in there. It has a interesting feel to it. Trampled Under Foot from that show is funky and ripping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zachman Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 im probably the only one who likes it but i love pages solo at live aid.... the thing was out of tune everything was out of sorts and page just played straightfrom his heart and was speaking through the guitar and even though sloppy made it sound great as only jimmy could achieve...drums were horrendous and had something to do with the sloppiness but i love pages solo.. sometimes even though great some of pages stairway solos are drawn out.. it kinda loses the essence.. i thought live aid hit it right on the money and my fav is the bbc session version.. htwww and the song remains the same solos are some of my least favorite.. the recording is my favorite cuz its shorter but nails perfectly the essence of the song .. thats what solos are for in my opinion.. page 99 percent of the time nailed the essence but occasionally while musically great didnt hit the essence in some ways but i still love them justnot as great but thats no knock on pagey.. love him but sometimes he didnt get the essence completely on live solos for sth is all imsaying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibh23 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 im probably the only one who likes it but i love pages solo at live aid.... the thing was out of tune everything was out of sorts and page just played straightfrom his heart and was speaking through the guitar and even though sloppy made it sound great as only jimmy could achieve...drums were horrendous and had something to do with the sloppiness but i love pages solo.. sometimes even though great some of pages stairway solos are drawn out.. it kinda loses the essence.. i thought live aid hit it right on the money and my fav is the bbc session version.. htwww and the song remains the same solos are some of my least favorite.. the recording is my favorite cuz its shorter but nails perfectly the essence of the song .. thats what solos are for in my opinion.. page 99 percent of the time nailed the essence but occasionally while musically great didnt hit the essence in some ways but i still love them justnot as great but thats no knock on pagey.. love him but sometimes he didnt get the essence completely on live solos for sth is all imsaying You're not the only one, that solo was brilliant, and considering the guitarist Page was for most of the show, it's even more amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigstickbonzo Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 He had his moments during the solo which showed his greatness in creating a melodic riff(s) over the supplied riff(s) in hand. He excelled during the earlier years rather than the latter at this, but took more risks during the 77-80 years. Unfortunately, because of his habit, his creativity and fluent percision were always in jeapardy of failing him during this period. Overall, there are some Page gems from the latter half of the group and I think most of us can agree on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledzeppelinfan1 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 1980 version was the longest but my favorite is from The Song Remains the Same DVD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinity Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 The Berlin '80 version, Zeppelin's last concert with John Bonham. Rumor has it Jimmy smoked a huge joint before they played, which made him stretch the solo. It was decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibh23 Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 (edited) The Berlin '80 version, Zeppelin's last concert with John Bonham. Rumor has it Jimmy smoked a huge joint before they played, which made him stretch the solo. It was decent. From a guitar playing perspective, it's really bad, just hear how Jimmy screws up the parts before the drums come in, I really enjoy the solo, it might be slow, spaced out and some parts are weakly executed (well, most of the solo) but the creativity in the song id just mindblowing, he comes up with licks he had never came up with before and plays some really deep moving stuff. In short, though not his best, it's simply breathtaking, listen to the depth of his playing and you'll see. Edited April 6, 2009 by Sibh23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Not just Zeppelin's "last concert with Bonham" - the last concert EVER. Also it wasn't just Stairway they stretched on the night - they knew, of course, it was the last show of the tour and they elongated just about EVERY song on that night. It's a fairly bad end to a heavily scaled down set. I went to the opening night of the tour in Dortmund and that certainly sounded better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom kid Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Could someone enlighten me to this joint story? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy page66 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Could someone enlighten me to this joint story?It's just foolishness .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zosoman11 Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Can this version of Stairway be shared? I'd like to "judge" it myself. On a side note, I've listened to a ton of bootlegs. Most of them were recorded and passed around on the highest technology of the day: the 90 minute casette tape. These were usually taken from the original "Master" recordings at the shows: a small microphone wired into your Hitachi recording device. Many of the "Engineers" of these shows, and later "Engineers and Producers" who re-recorded these (in their studio's, no, um bedrooms) would later pitch it to their associates (buddies in the back of the 1982 station wagon) as "Dude, gotta bootleg, it's awsome". If listening to STH w/out Page in the recording is awesome, then great! Don't judge alot of Zeppelin shows/tours based on the bootlegs. The bootlegs were horrible, recopied horribly, and copied again. Just an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelaE8654 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 All Stairways To Heavens are long. It's a long way to the heaven. That's what I was going to say. All the ones I remember were REALLY long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevedore Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 The Knebworth shows, in general, were abysmal. But it had its moments. The tour over Europe was an awesome tour. Achilles, Trampled, SIBLY and Kashmir were all great. I totally disagree. I thought they sounded great. They do an awesome funky version of WLL that's amazing!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxie Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 I totally disagree. I thought they sounded great. They do an awesome funky version of WLL that's amazing!! Love that version... one of my faves! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibh23 Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 Can this version of Stairway be shared? I'd like to "judge" it myself. On a side note, I've listened to a ton of bootlegs. Most of them were recorded and passed around on the highest technology of the day: the 90 minute casette tape. These were usually taken from the original "Master" recordings at the shows: a small microphone wired into your Hitachi recording device. Many of the "Engineers" of these shows, and later "Engineers and Producers" who re-recorded these (in their studio's, no, um bedrooms) would later pitch it to their associates (buddies in the back of the 1982 station wagon) as "Dude, gotta bootleg, it's awsome". If listening to STH w/out Page in the recording is awesome, then great! Don't judge alot of Zeppelin shows/tours based on the bootlegs. The bootlegs were horrible, recopied horribly, and copied again. Just an opinion. I completely disagree with you, bootlegs are the only real way to judge Led Zeppelin tours/shows, as they give a straight, edit-free and thus unaltered account of Led Zeppelin concerts, live releases are polished up just to mask most imperfections. Don't judge alot of Zeppelin shows/tours based on the bootlegs. The bootlegs were horrible, recopied horribly, and copied again. Just an opinion. I'd like to tell you, those days are over. Now trader's trade most recordings in low-gens and some labels discover excellent sounding tapes (well, only you can trust in the most known ones), remasters are now of a higher standard than before and with larger internet communities, bad ones are scrutinized quickly, a lot of "masters" are being transfered these days, and with the advent of technology, max audio quality is ensued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zosoman11 Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 I completely disagree with you, bootlegs are the only real way to judge Led Zeppelin tours/shows, as they give a straight, edit-free and thus unaltered account of Led Zeppelin concerts, live releases are polished up just to mask most imperfections. I'd like to tell you, those days are over. Now trader's trade most recordings in low-gens and some labels discover excellent sounding tapes (well, only you can trust in the most known ones), remasters are now of a higher standard than before and with larger internet communities, bad ones are scrutinized quickly, a lot of "masters" are being transfered these days, and with the advent of technology, max audio quality is ensued. Another poster sent me a PM on where to get good ones, been doing some research. I'll give it an honest listen. Thanks to all who got this old timer up to speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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