War in Ukraine

[Bong-Man]

5 minutes ago, JohnOsbourne said:

Yawn.

15 months John.  Fifteen.

[JohnOsbourne]

10 minutes ago, Bong-Man said:

15 months John.  Fifteen.

Double yawn.

[cryingbluerain]

2 hours ago, Bong-Man said:

15 months not 15 days. 

Even Milley Vanilley and our so-called military experts got that one wrong.

Gen. Milley says Kyiv could fall within 72 hours if Russia decides to invade Ukraine: sources | Fox News

[JohnOsbourne]

19 minutes ago, cryingbluerain said:

Even Milley Vanilley and our so-called military experts got that one wrong.

Gen. Milley says Kyiv could fall within 72 hours if Russia decides to invade Ukraine: sources | Fox News

The reason everyone was "wrong" about this is, no one could have anticipated the hysterical (and self-destructive) overreaction of the US to it.  This is no longer about how fast the Russians can subjugate the Ukraine, in fact it never really was (no one denies that it would be over in a matter of days if not for Western life support). 

We're on 15 months of the US and Western Europe destroying their economies and depleting their arsenals while the entire world turns against the US-controlled world order that's been in place since the end of WW2 (including the dollar's reserve currency status, the weaponization of their currency is a sure sign of desperation by the Americans).  The spectacular failure of the US Deep State here is truly astounding.  No wonder liberals are losing their shit over it.

[SteveAJones]

9 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

The reason everyone was "wrong" about this is, no one could have anticipated the hysterical (and self-destructive) overreaction of the US to it.  This is no longer about how fast the Russians can subjugate the Ukraine, in fact it never really was (no one denies that it would be over in a matter of days if not for Western life support). 

We're on 15 months of the US and Western Europe destroying their economies and depleting their arsenals while the entire world turns against the US-controlled world order that's been in place since the end of WW2 (including the dollar's reserve currency status, the weaponization of their currency is a sure sign of desperation by the Americans).  The spectacular failure of the US Deep State here is truly astounding.  No wonder liberals are losing their shit over it.

I'm glad you're paying attention to what's really going on. $30 BILLION in US aid that not one government agency can account for where it went. Ukraine is nothing more than a globalist slush fund and a battle space for testing prototype weapons. 

[rm2551]

9 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

The reason everyone was "wrong" about this is....

My understanding is the reason the entire world - down to practically every political hack and pundit - was wrong about this is it was mistakenly thought by ALL that Russia possessed an extremely powerful and modern army - known as the world's "second army". Turns out running a mafia state does not result in a cohesive armed forces - and that makes sense as Putin needs to play groups off against each other to maintain being "The Don".

The initial march into Ukraine should not have been a competition, but due to a lack of co-ordination that highlights the complete absence of effective command and control structures, along with a "second army" being rotten to the core due to the incredible corruption at every layer from Shoygu down to area commanders that rendered the equipment and logistics/supplies not much better than completely useless for all but the Special Forces (which were wrongly utilised trying to take Kiev and wiped out) the Russians blew the "5 days" target to topple Kiev.

This all happened WAY before "the hysterical (and self-destructive) overreaction of the US to it". By the time Europe/Nato/The US had reacted, it was already over. Russia were NEVER going to achieve their initial goal of absorbing Ukraine back into the motherland. Their plan-B seems to be a drawn out war waiting for the west to tire so they can slowly choke out Ukraine until submission.

I personally think Russia will simply run out of fight before then. Especially now. Putin most likely is fucked and that will have an effect on Russia's ability to continue with this. The Oligarch's with all their frozen billions in assets and seeing how Russian citizens were openly cheering Wagner forces are likely to themselves be planning who the next leader should be so they can resume their bullshit lives.

I expect Prigozhin will show up back in Africa where his money is made. As long as the big $$$ keep making back to the boss, Putin may yet have some use for him. We'll see. It's typical mafia. It's just business, not personal.

[Bong-Man]

6 hours ago, rm2551 said:

My understanding is the reason the entire world - down to practically every political hack and pundit - was wrong about this is it was mistakenly thought by ALL that Russia possessed an extremely powerful and modern army - known as the world's "second army". Turns out running a mafia state does not result in a cohesive armed forces - and that makes sense as Putin needs to play groups off against each other to maintain being "The Don".

The initial march into Ukraine should not have been a competition, but due to a lack of co-ordination that highlights the complete absence of effective command and control structures, along with a "second army" being rotten to the core due to the incredible corruption at every layer from Shoygu down to area commanders that rendered the equipment and logistics/supplies not much better than completely useless for all but the Special Forces (which were wrongly utilised trying to take Kiev and wiped out) the Russians blew the "5 days" target to topple Kiev.

This all happened WAY before "the hysterical (and self-destructive) overreaction of the US to it". By the time Europe/Nato/The US had reacted, it was already over. Russia were NEVER going to achieve their initial goal of absorbing Ukraine back into the motherland. Their plan-B seems to be a drawn out war waiting for the west to tire so they can slowly choke out Ukraine until submission.

I personally think Russia will simply run out of fight before then. Especially now. Putin most likely is fucked and that will have an effect on Russia's ability to continue with this. The Oligarch's with all their frozen billions in assets and seeing how Russian citizens were openly cheering Wagner forces are likely to themselves be planning who the next leader should be so they can resume their bullshit lives.

I expect Prigozhin will show up back in Africa where his money is made. As long as the big $$$ keep making back to the boss, Putin may yet have some use for him. We'll see. It's typical mafia. It's just business, not personal.

Wow!  A major crack in the Russian power structure at the very top and you actually focused 5 paragraphs of opinion about the current situation in Russia instead of the U.S. 'Deep State", liberals, slush funds, and a new world order.  How dare you stay focused on the situation at hand!     

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Wouldn't be surprised if the Russkis attack Poland. 

[JohnOsbourne]

5 hours ago, redrum said:

Wouldn't be surprised if the Russkis attack Poland. 

 

[JohnOsbourne]

[JohnOsbourne]

9 hours ago, Bong-Man said:

Wow!  A major crack in the Russian power structure at the very top and you actually focused 5 paragraphs of opinion about the current situation in Russia instead of the U.S. 'Deep State", liberals, slush funds, and a new world order.  How dare you stay focused on the situation at hand!     

Don't you have a 15th booster shot to go get?

[redrum]

1 hour ago, JohnOsbourne said:

😄

[SteveAJones]

Biden Authorizes Calling Reservists to Active Duty to Support Ukraine War (breitbart.com)

"The number would not exceed 3,000 total members at any one time, and no more than 450 members of the Individual Ready Reserve".

 

Those numbers brought to you by the same Administration who proclaimed Ukraine war funding would not exceed $50 BILLION. We're at $75 BILLION 

and about to burn through another $100 MILLION. Those numbers brought to you within days of pronouncing Ukraine needs to become a NATO member,

which Russia will NEVER permit, nor should they,

 

The United States must be completely emasculated already to allow this wholly comprised criminal to once again escalate this senseless proxy war.  

[redrum]

35 minutes ago, SteveAJones said:

Biden Authorizes Calling Reservists to Active Duty to Support Ukraine War (breitbart.com)

"The number would not exceed 3,000 total members at any one time, and no more than 450 members of the Individual Ready Reserve".

 

Those numbers brought to you by the same Administration who proclaimed Ukraine war funding would not exceed $50 BILLION. We're at $75 BILLION 

and about to burn through another $100 MILLION. Those numbers brought to you within days of pronouncing Ukraine needs to become a NATO member,

which Russia will NEVER permit, nor should they,

 

The United States must be completely emasculated already to allow this wholly comprised criminal to once again escalate this senseless proxy war.  

What did the Vietnam War cost the US?

 

In the United States, the effects of the Vietnam War would linger long after the last troops returned home. The nation spent more than $120 billion on the conflict in Vietnam from 1965-73; this massive spending led to widespread inflation, exacerbated by a worldwide oil crisis in 1973 and skyrocketing fuel prices.

 

Go, Joe. 

[hummingbird69]

1 hour ago, redrum said:

What did the Vietnam War cost the US?

 

In the United States, the effects of the Vietnam War would linger long after the last troops returned home. The nation spent more than $120 billion on the conflict in Vietnam from 1965-73; this massive spending led to widespread inflation, exacerbated by a worldwide oil crisis in 1973 and skyrocketing fuel prices.

 

Go, Joe. 

This morning gas was 3:63 tonight it was 4:13 a gallon. A 50 cent jump in ten hours.

Edited July 14, 2023 by hummingbird69

[SteveAJones]

1 hour ago, hummingbird69 said:

This morning gas was 3:63 tonight it was 4:13 a gallon. A 50 cent jump in ten hours.

That's what happens when it becomes clear NATO will do sweet fuck all to end this war while Crooked Joe does everything he can to escalate the conflict.

[SteveAJones]

2 hours ago, redrum said:

What did the Vietnam War cost the US?

 

In the United States, the effects of the Vietnam War would linger long after the last troops returned home. The nation spent more than $120 billion on the conflict in Vietnam from 1965-73; this massive spending led to widespread inflation, exacerbated by a worldwide oil crisis in 1973 and skyrocketing fuel prices.

 

Go, Joe. 

EIGHT YEARS AGO the United States national security strategy for Ukraine was established as:

• Backing security commitments to allies: “We will support partners such as Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine so they can better work alongside the United States and NATO, as well as provide for their own defense.”  
• “Working with Europe to improve its energy security in both the short and long term.”
• Imposing significant costs on Russian aggression through sanctions and other means, and confronting Russian propaganda with the truth.
• “Keep[ing] the door open to greater collaboration with Russia in areas of common interests, should it choose a different path — a path of peaceful cooperation that respects the sovereignty and democratic development of neighboring states.”

How's that working out for us? We've wasted $75 BILLION DOLLARS in aid for what? No one knows, because there is purposefully no federal oversight on how those dollars are spent.

The Ukraine is little more than a globalist's wet dream: a multi-international slush fund.

[rm2551]

2 hours ago, SteveAJones said:

EIGHT YEARS AGO the United States national security strategy for Ukraine was established as:

• Backing security commitments to allies: “We will support partners such as Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine so they can better work alongside the United States and NATO, as well as provide for their own defense.”  
• “Working with Europe to improve its energy security in both the short and long term.”
• Imposing significant costs on Russian aggression through sanctions and other means, and confronting Russian propaganda with the truth.
• “Keep[ing] the door open to greater collaboration with Russia in areas of common interests, should it choose a different path — a path of peaceful cooperation that respects the sovereignty and democratic development of neighboring states.”

How's that working out for us? We've wasted $75 BILLION DOLLARS in aid for what? No one knows, because there is purposefully no federal oversight on how those dollars are spent.

The Ukraine is little more than a globalist's wet dream: a multi-international slush fund.

OK Steve, so: "How's that working out for us?"....

Pretty well.

Back democracy. That's what I'd say.

Cheers.

[cryingbluerain]

38 minutes ago, rm2551 said:

 

Back democracy. That's what I'd say.

 

Yep, to save democracy they have to suspend democracy.

Zelensky nationalizes TV news and restricts opposition parties (yahoo.com)

Can we drop the charade that Ukraine is the lynchpin of the democratic world without which all democracies will crumble under the jackboot of Putin's Russia?

 

[redrum]

2 hours ago, cryingbluerain said:

Yep, to save democracy they have to suspend democracy.

Zelensky nationalizes TV news and restricts opposition parties (yahoo.com)

Can we drop the charade that Ukraine is the lynchpin of the democratic world without which all democracies will crumble under the jackboot of Putin's Russia?

 

Sounds like the same thing they did in the Spanish civil war. 

[hummingbird69]

12 hours ago, SteveAJones said:

That's what happens when it becomes clear NATO will do sweet fuck all to end this war while Crooked Joe does everything he can to escalate the conflict.

I don't know what happened???  the sign for the price of gas is something I see all the time and last night it said 4:13 for non member pay but this morning it was back down to 3:63.  They either jumped the gun on the increase of had a situation with the sign.

Sorry for that, I'm sure it will be on the rise again. How can they keep the price low? IDK.

[SteveAJones]

14 hours ago, cryingbluerain said:

Can we drop the charade that Ukraine is the lynchpin of the democratic world without which all democracies will crumble under the jackboot of Putin's Russia?

Amen! Yet, here is Mike Pence parroting it. Even I would NEVER vote for him EVER after he said this so I hope he realizes he just committed politicial suicide. Thank you, Tucker Carlson.

 

[rm2551]

16 hours ago, cryingbluerain said:

Can we drop the charade that Ukraine is the lynchpin of the democratic world without which all democracies will crumble under the jackboot of Putin's Russia?

I was unaware of such a charade. Sounds ridiculous. Lynchpin of the democratic world. 🤣

What I'd say is a far more reasonable take is a lot of eastern Europe would have been at risk if Russia absorbed Ukraine in the early stages. Moldova, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania possibly Poland and/or Romania... Old mate Putin was looking for empire restoration. Nothing less.

[redrum]

2 hours ago, SteveAJones said:

Amen! Yet, here is Mike Pence parroting it. Even I would NEVER vote for him EVER after he said this so I hope he realizes he just committed politicial suicide. Thank you, Tucker Carlson.

 

Pence looks like a frikkin' alien. 

[SteveAJones]

3 hours ago, rm2551 said:

What I'd say is a far more reasonable take is a lot of eastern Europe would have been at risk if Russia absorbed Ukraine in the early stages. Moldova, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania possibly Poland and/or Romania... Old mate Putin was looking for empire restoration. Nothing less.

The early stages? Half of those countries have been NATO members for nearly 20 YEARS now. This conflict is strictly and solely about all of the Biden Administration's saber rattling about Ukraine also becoming a member of NATO. Putin was not going to stand for NATO membership being extend to the border of Russia. Conflict could have ended in less than a month, with Russia carving out a slice of Ukraine, but Putin had underestimated the corrupt Biden administration's resolve to wage an illegal proxy war against Russia. $75B USD later, it becomes clearer every day that Zelensky is every bit the dictator that Putin is. For anyone to suggest this unnecessary war is in defense of democracy is simply absurd.