Arcane29 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Hockey will never be destroyed. The NHL, maybe. The sport will live on, with or without a league that was never good at maximizing its potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 And I'm trying not to defend owners as well, but it sure looks that way because the instant the players hired Fehr I could not pin a lack of a season on anyone else. I certainly don't like the fact that Jacobs runs the show... And players are conceding because owners are hurting. Not really hurting, as no one worth millions is truly hurting, but the sabres, for example, sell out 99% of season tickets year in and year out. And lose millions of dollars each year. That's messed up. While paying every expense of the player, equipment, travel, food, healthcare, medical care, etc. While earning 43% of HRR, even though the players don't put a cent towards the league they receive 57. They have other places to market their skill even if this one were to disappear. I guess I just won't ever have sympathy for someone making millions playing a game. Right from the start, the players have agreed that the owners were not receiving their proper share of Hockey Related Revenue and have been more than prepared to rectify that. That said, I can also understand the owners wanting a long term CBA. What I find ridiculous is the owners being so insistant on limiting the terms of individual player contracts.. They already have a salary cap in place. Remember that, the thing that was going to save the league and something the owners thought was important enough to shut down a whole season back in 2004/05. I'll tell you what, the players sure remember it and quite honestly, given what the players seem willing to give up this time, I'd say Fehr would be charged with collusion if he were to recommend that they accept all of the other concessions that the owners are asking for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane29 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 What is the problem a player would have with limited contract lengths anyway, honest question, I don't understand... Wouldn't that mean more shots at a pay day throughout a career, and a drive to stay at a high level that wouldn't be there 4 years into a ten year contract? I can understand why they would be mad if the contracts in place now didn't get grandfathered into the new cba, but is that the case with the latest owner proposal? Could you please elaborate as well on "what the players seem willing to give up this time"? And they are being a bit too clingy on the whole contract length issue as well, but I still think they'd compromise in that area especially if they could also compromise on the cba length issue. Which the players seem to be avoiding equally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 What is the problem a player would have with limited contract lengths anyway, honest question, I don't understand... Wouldn't that mean more shots at a pay day throughout a career, and a drive to stay at a high level that wouldn't be there 4 years into a ten year contract? I can understand why they would be mad if the contracts in place now didn't get grandfathered into the new cba, but is that the case with the latest owner proposal? Could you please elaborate as well on "what the players seem willing to give up this time"? And they are being a bit too clingy on the whole contract length issue as well, but I still think they'd compromise in that area especially if they could also compromise on the cba length issue. Which the players seem to be avoiding equally. 7% of their share of HRR $ to be handed over to the owners. On the face of it, that might seem fair but in order to get it, the owners have offered nothing to the players in return.Here's my point, if you haven't got or are unwilling to trade something to get something, then it's not called negotiating. It's called imposing your will. From a position of relative neutrality, that's what I see here and for that reason, I think the season will be lost unless the owners back off on something...anything This does a pretty good job of explaining things http://www.silversevensens.com/2012/10/17/3516314/silver-nuggets-examining-the-nhls-latest-cba-proposal This too http://www.examiner....ba-negotiations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZeppfan77 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 7% of their share of HRR $ to be handed over to the owners. On the face of it, that might seem fair but in order to get it, the owners have offered nothing to the players in return.Here's my point, if you haven't got or are unwilling to trade something to get something, then it's not called negotiating. It's called imposing your will. From a position of relative neutrality, that's what I see here and for that reason, I think the season will be lost unless the owners back off on something...anything This does a pretty good job of explaining things http://www.silversev...st-cba-proposal This too http://www.examiner....ba-negotiations Daly's words "the hill we will die on" tell it all. They will not budge. And this tells me they have no consideration for the fans and are devils that have no business having anything to do with hockey. I wish to hell they would all be kicked to the curb. Bettman first. Then Daly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Daly's words "the hill we will die on" tell it all. They will not budge. And this tells me they have no consideration for the fans and are devils that have no business having anything to do with hockey. I wish to hell they would all be kicked to the curb. Bettman first. Then Daly. You know what the real piss of is Rick ...Arcane29 is correct about there being room to negotiate on both sides and any sane group of people should have been able to get a deal done once the mediators were asked in. There is plenty of wrigle room on paper, for it to happen. In fact, I was convinced it would happen. Unforunately what's become clear to me is that we are fighting 2005 all over again. The owners think they can impose a contract, which they pretty much did with the salary cap, and the players are digging in their heels because they they feel they let the owners walk all over them. It's just a pissing contest now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZeppfan77 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 You know what the real piss of is Rick ...Arcane29 is correct about there being room to negotiate on both sides and any sane group of people should have been able to get a deal done once the mediators were asked in. There is plenty of wrigle room on paper, for it to happen. In fact, I was convinced it would happen. Unforunately what's become clear to me is that we are fighting 2005 all over again. The owners think they can impose a contract, which they pretty much did with the salary cap, and the players are digging in their heels because they they feel they let the owners walk all over them. It's just a pissing contest now We are beyond the eleventh hour for having any type of season. I believe if a deal is not struck by Xmas Eve its over. Its bullshit. Many, even the die hard fans will not be fast to forgive either side. I can see pennies being thrown on the ice in Philly. There will be trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I miss hockey,... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZeppfan77 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Daly says there will be a season!!! This is a huge statement for him to go out on a limb with,. He knows somethiing. I believe the owners will bend but wont break. The NHLPA is ready to break. So if we have a 48 game season lets say for the sake of argument, it makes lower seed teams all the more dangerous and makes the big money spending Rangers open game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 I miss hockey,... The bimbo on the right needs to step away from the tanning bed...or lay off the bronzer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles J. White Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 The bimbo on the right needs to step away from the tanning bed...or lay off the bronzer. The bimbo on the right needs to get out of the sun and into the bed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul carruthers Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 More game cancellations annnounced today. I don't know why Bettman keeps dicking around, just announce the cancellation of the season & put the few fans you have left out of their misery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZeppfan77 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Daly is on record he believes the season will still be saved. I do not know how he can say this when his own boy is making it impossible. Canceled through mid Jan and now they say that Jan is the last chance date at saving the season. Could they squeeze a 50 game season in after Jan 14th? 4 Months I suppose. Perhaps they will cut the playoff number to six? Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dawg Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Looks like he owners are offering concessions http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2012/12/28/nhl-nhlpa-lockout-new-owners-proposal/1795967/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZeppfan77 Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Looks like he owners are offering concessions http://www.usatoday....oposal/1795967/ If the players walk away from this they will lose everything. They will lose all of their money and their fans forever. Sign the fucking paper and get to work. Many fans have already said they no longer care. This is the last chance for these greedy stupid players to save their game. If they turn this down, its suicide to their careers and the sport of hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul carruthers Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Sounds promising, but I won't hold my breath on a deal getting done. At the very least, it should make for an interesting weekend to see if Fehr & company will relent and sign the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZeppfan77 Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Sounds promising, but I won't hold my breath on a deal getting done. At the very least, it should make for an interesting weekend to see if Fehr & company will relent and sign the deal. Tick tock. I guess they are mulling it. I believe they know its the last chance to save the season. They know it. They have not come out and turned it down yet. So that is good in itself. I say they are just nuts not to accept it and drop the puck on Jan 19th. They are saying fuck you to all of us if they turn this down. The players included. And if they want to save the sport they had best accept this offer and do it before the fucking ball drops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zepscoda Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Getting my hockey fix tonight with the NAHL, Texas vs. Corpus Christi.......... I could use a cold beer and live hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dawg Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Getting my hockey fix tonight with the NAHL, Texas vs. Corpus Christi.......... I could use a cold beer and live hockey. Have fun. I had plans to go to Hersey. My plans were snowed out. I'll try again next month, when no weather deters my gang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZeppfan77 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I think they are going to settle by tomorrow. I just bet Switzerland also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZeppfan77 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1468241-gary-bettman-reportedly-willing-to-cancel-nhl-season-without-deal-soon?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nhl Bettman is willing to cancel the season!!!! And he is more out for the money than the fans. The players are on my shit list too. They are being ridiculous and are going to ruin the greatest sport on Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zepscoda Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 World Jr's tomorrow! USA goes for the gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 World Jr's tomorrow! USA goes for the gold. Hard to say how good the Swedes are as I thought they had a relatively easy section but it's not often they don't have a great team. Still, I'm picking the USA to come home with the gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZeppfan77 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Hard to say how good the Swedes are as I thought they had a relatively easy section but it's not often they don't have a great team. Still, I'm picking the USA to come home with the gold The Swedes are not as good as in the past in my opinion, based on recent juniour games. The Swiss have no luck in OT. I pick the USA to win 6-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dawg Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 The Swedes are not as good as in the past in my opinion, based on recent juniour games. The Swiss have no luck in OT. I pick the USA to win 6-2 Damn thats a big spread. I think if the juniors pulli it out, it will be late and close. 3-2 Finals normally bring out the best in the cage minders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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