The Next President of the USA will be?

[wanna be drummer]

Atleast you knew who i was taliking about. Since there are no WMD's (which i still find hard to belive) he knew he didn't have them. but then again they still find MiGs out there in the sand.

Of course he knew, but he still told the world he had them.

[Uncle Bill]

Atleast you knew who i was taliking about. Since there are no WMD's (which i still find hard to belive) he knew he didn't have them. but then again they still find MiGs out there in the sand.

Yeah, I still wonder what happened to them, we know he had them at one time and the Mukhabarat had plans to use them on us. No question about that if you read the actual documents that came out of the congressional hearings. I guess they still might find them in the sand but I find that doubtful after all this time. It appears he got rid of them but wanted the Iranians to think he still had them. At least that seems the most likely to me.

back on topic:

I watched BO's speech today. First one I've seen. He's an impressive speaker I'll give him that. I think he managed to get a little distance between him and Wright. Enough for me in fact. One thing I really liked was he seems to have ditched that stupid "CHANGE" sign you normally see him with. Being "for" change is like being "for" gravity it's inevitable lol. Maybe someone pointed out the last major figure to run with the "CHANGE" label was Eliot Spitzer.

Question? How is this not going to be scene as a cop out by those who completely believe everything Wright says, the members of the church in particular? He clearly stated he disagrees with them. Will they turn on him or just think "oh, he's just saying that to get elected"?

Second question, why aren't Clintons people all over this? Does she have spiritual skeletons in her closet or something? I'm unaware of any at this point. Please point me toward them if you know of any.

btw, I'm an agnostic atheist and hold the candidates religion against them equally. Christian, Muslim, whatever, it's all the same to me. I don't like that BO's church is "A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA" though. Thats troublesome to me.

Thanks for all the input to those who have replied to my posts, Cheers, UB

[Pb Derigable]

Well Hillary doesn't want to bite the hand that may feed her, anyways Hillary has alot more relationships that are more troublesome than Barrack. Now I don't think you can judge Barrack on his pastor, but with his wife's comments before, his relationship with a man whom once declare war on the U.S. and has supposedly set bombs to blow up govt buildings. To me the change he represents is not the change i want, i want the country to push forward.. He could win if he runs as a man who happens to be black, but this is starting to look like he's a Black man running for president. McCain will stay out of the race issue, but if Barrack pushes it, macain won't have to. All white people are not racist, but a good portion doesn't want to feel like a minority if Barrack get in. Good speaker, but he has to run through this guantlet if he wants to win. It's uinfair to me if he wins without getting bashed.

[Uncle Bill]

I believe there is a lot of "closet racism" in this country.

The other day I heard Harold Ford say when his people did a poll (in Illinois) during his last campaign and asked "would you vote for a black man?" something like 90% said yes, when asked "would your neighbor vote for a black man" the number dropped to like 40%.

[Hermit]

Atleast you knew who i was taliking about.

Because you said "Hussein" you figured people would

assume you were referring to Barack Hussein Obama, eh?

I believe there is a lot of "closet racism" in this country.

no doubt.

[Uncle Bill]

hermit> you use that whistly little smilie face thingie all the time. What does it mean to you?

*edited to add*

now that you removed it I think you agree with me correct?

[The Bomber]

If i was to build a frankenstein president,i would have:

The apparent immortality of Clinton,seriously,how is she still in there?!?!?

The public-speaking skills of Obama

The political experience & skill of McCain.

[Pb Derigable]

I believe there is a lot of "closet racism" in this country.

The other day I heard Harold Ford say when his people did a poll (in Illinois) during his last campaign and asked "would you vote for a black man?" something like 90% said yes, when asked "would your neighbor vote for a black man" the number dropped to like 40%.

Everbody is racist somehow, and i used racist as a broad statement as it includes all discrimination for me. I would vote for a Black man if he shared my values. Now my values can be consider White values (or G.O.P.) and thats fine because I'm a white man. I don't hate Black people, but i do hate all people that fits the stereotypes either they be Black, White, Asian, Mexican. I don't like white trash as much as i don't like Thugs who run around and shoot people for there shoes as much as i don't like the rich fucks who live in Hollywood. As i said before Obama does to share my values. Which includes going to a church that the pastor says god damn America. Geat speaker but if i shoot the best lawyer in the country in the leg, I'm not going to hire him to defend me when he's suing me.

[wanna be drummer]

Hermit and his smilies go together like PB and J dude. Its his thing, let it be

[Pb Derigable]

Because you said "Hussein" you figured people would

assume you were referring to Barack Hussein Obama, eh?

no doubt.

Yeah i was trolling there for a second. I try to say out of fights, but once in a while i have to say somthing troll like.

[Dzldoc]

I believe there is a lot of "closet racism" in this country.

The other day I heard Harold Ford say when his people did a poll (in Illinois) during his last campaign and asked "would you vote for a black man?" something like 90% said yes, when asked "would your neighbor vote for a black man" the number dropped to like 40%.

My position is far from anything to do with color or gender. It's about having to pay 60% of my salary in Taxes Well I guess it is about color "Green" I've researched all the candidates and I don't care for any of the socialist programs their taliking about.

Universal health care is a rediculous Idea and raising taxes any more will destroy this country. I've worked for and paid for everything I've ever recieved in life. If you want it and you can't get it tuff! learn to do without just like I did. These programs will do nothing to promote self worth and only pander to the lazy and useless eaters of society. If you want to have things in life or say "live like a republican" as so many say. Get off your ass and earn it! Ta Da! see how easy that is and it doesn't cost anything.

[Hermit]

Yeah i was trolling there for a second. I try to say out of fights, but once in a while i have to say somthing troll like.

No worries, bud.

Afaic,.. there's nothing wrong with stirring the pot a bit.

I've been known to do a bit of pot stirring my own self.

Besides, the more that's made now of Obama's middle name being "Hussein", the less

the impact will be when the repubs try to make hay with it during the general election.

cheers, bro.

[Suz]

My position is far from anything to do with color or gender. It's about having to pay 60% of my salary in Taxes Well I guess it is about color "Green" I've researched all the candidates and I don't care for any of the socialist programs their taliking about.

Universal health care is a rediculous Idea and raising taxes any more will destroy this country. I've worked for and paid for everything I've ever recieved in life. If you want it and you can't get it tuff! learn to do without just like I did. These programs will do nothing to promote self worth and only pander to the lazy and useless eaters of society. If you want to have things in life or say "live like a republican" as so many say. Get off your ass and earn it! Ta Da! see how easy that is and it doesn't cost anything.

But Dzldoc, what if you get in an accident and end up with a hundred grand in medical bills? I value your opinion, so I'm interested in what you think of that. Do you think if you can't pay that much, you're just not working hard enough? I ask because I know people this kind of thing has happened to. To me that's where the universal healthcare might come in handy, not to mention a bunch of other situation. I just don't think that people who work hard should go broke because of a medical situation.

[Dzldoc]

But Dzldoc, what if you get in an accident and end up with a hundred grand in medical bills? I value your opinion, so I'm interested in what you think of that. Do you think if you can't pay that much, you're just not working hard enough? I ask because I know people this kind of thing has happened to. To me that's where the universal healthcare might come in handy, not to mention a bunch of other situation. I just don't think that people who work hard should go broke because of a medical situation.

I never said there shouldn't be some kind of charity hostpital system. I just don't like their plan of deciding what care I should recieve at what facility and how much my plan should cost.

We had one of the best charity hostpital systems in the country before Katrina. Though the building itself will not be returning they are in colaboration with LSU,Tulane and University Medical centers to help ease the strain of the rapidly growing and returning population down here.

So I'm not hard core against some sort of plan, just not the plan they are talking about.

To answer your first question from experience, medical bills can be a hardship even with insurance.

My son was born 8 weeks pre-mature and spent 7 days in NICU and in May of 2005 I was diagnosed with stage one colon cancer and under went hemocolectomy section

surgery and 8 weeks after getting back on my feet and back to work ,well we know what happened here. So yeah I can and do have sympathy for humanity.

I just feel there should be some kind of plan, just not the way they lay it out.

I hope I don't come across as jaded I'm actually a softy

[Suz]

I never said there shouldn't be some kind of charity hostpital system. I just don't like their plan of deciding what care I should recieve at what facility and how much my plan should cost.

We had one of the best charity hostpital systems in the country before Katrina. Though the building itself will not be returning they are in colaboration with LSU,Tulane and University Medical centers to help ease the strain of the rapidly growing and returning population down here.

So I'm not hard core against some sort of plan, just not the plan they are talking about.

To answer your first question from experience, medical bills can be a hardship even with insurance.

My son was born 8 weeks pre-mature and spent 7 days in NICU and in May of 2005 I was diagnosed with stage one colon cancer and under went hemocolectomy section

surgery and 8 weeks after getting back on my feet and back to work ,well we know what happened here. So yeah I can and do have sympathy for humanity.

I just feel there should be some kind of plan, just not the way they lay it out.

I hope I don't come across as jaded I'm actually a softy

You don't come across as jaded (though you'd have a right to be). I think there's gotta be a happy medium between what we have here and what they have in Canada. People here go broke or go without healthcare, but people there come over the border to get stuff done in a timely fashion. I know what you mean about insurance. It's a BITCH to pay that much, and then they don't even pay your damned bill. I knew someone who owed about 20 grand WITH insurance. Unreal.

[Hermit]

Predictions about Obama's speech:

No matter what he says, it will be,

A. plenty good enough for his supporters, all that needs to be said etc

B. not nearly good enough for his detractors, it proves he's racist etc

C. the rest of us scratching our heads wondering what to believe.

*edited so it actually made sense*

People can see.. read the text of.. and judge for themselves..

Obama's speech (given today) on 'race and politics'.. *HERE*

[Uncle Bill]

Well,so far my predictions are holding true judging by what I've seen , not that it was very difficult to foresee , lol.

[Hermit]

Heres' what conservative republican Andrew Sullivan had

to say about Obama's "More Perfect Union" speech today:

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The Speech

18 Mar 2008

"Alas, I cannot give a more considered response right now as I have to get on the road. But I do want to say that this searing, nuanced, gut-wrenching, loyal, and deeply, deeply Christian speech is the most honest speech on race in America in my adult lifetime. It is a speech we have all been waiting for for a generation. Its ability to embrace both the legitimate fears and resentments of whites and the understandable anger and dashed hopes of many blacks was, in my view, unique in recent American history.

And it was a reflection of faith - deep, hopeful, transcending faith in the promises of the Gospels. And it was about America - its unique promise, its historic purpose, and our duty to take up the burden to perfect this union - today, in our time, in our way.

I have never felt more convinced that this man's candidacy - not this man, his candidacy - and what he can bring us to achieve - is an historic opportunity. This was a testing; and he did not merely pass it by uttering safe bromides. He addressed the intimate, painful love he has for an imperfect and sometimes embittered man. And how that love enables him to see that man's faults and pain as well as his promise. This is what my faith is about. It is what the Gospels are about. This is a candidate who does not merely speak as a Christian. He acts like a Christian.

Bill Clinton once said that everything bad in America can be rectified by what is good in America. He was right - and Obama takes that to a new level. And does it with the deepest darkest wound in this country's history.

I love this country. I don't remember loving it or hoping more from it than today."

*source*

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I agree with Andrew.

I thought it was a wonderful, gutsy, sincere, and poignant speech.

Obama has taken this Reverend Wright bump in

the road and transformed it into a launching pad.

[DRUNK]

My position is far from anything to do with color or gender. It's about having to pay 60% of my salary in Taxes Well I guess it is about color "Green" I've researched all the candidates and I don't care for any of the socialist programs their taliking about.

Universal health care is a rediculous Idea and raising taxes any more will destroy this country. I've worked for and paid for everything I've ever recieved in life. If you want it and you can't get it tuff! learn to do without just like I did. These programs will do nothing to promote self worth and only pander to the lazy and useless eaters of society. If you want to have things in life or say "live like a republican" as so many say. Get off your ass and earn it! Ta Da! see how easy that is and it doesn't cost anything.

Man, you know no matter who gets elected, no universal health care system will happen.

Far too much opposition. Far too much power in the medical industry and corporations.

American society is not built for universal health care. The European countries have it right. They can have universal health care, and it works great for many reasons.

The Europeans live healthier than Americans do. They have more health knowledge. The eat a better diet, exercise more, and have a far better and fulfilling social life.

European countries generally are more pure. They have less racial and class differences, so their cultures are more united.

America is too multicultural and too divided to have universal health care. Too many different types of people and different classes, along with what I believe, is a complete lack of knowledge or interest in healthy living, along with terrible eating and lifestyle habits. It is just a disaster waiting to happen.

But the people are not only to blame, corporate America and the government are to blame! People are force fed misleading bullshit about what is good and bad for them. The government doesn't protect them. The corporations rule. It is a terrible cycle. Corporations sell products. The products make people sick over time. The health care industry profits because they have more sick people to treat. More drugs and services are sold.

America can talk all they want, but they don't want universal health care, and it will never happen.

[Pb Derigable]

Man, you know no matter who gets elected, no universal health care system will happen.

Far too much opposition. Far too much power in the medical industry and corporations.

I would think the Medical Industry would want Universal Health care. More people will get treatment if it's free and the money is guarantee. Corporations will love it, because they wouldn't have to pay for their own employees health care and workers comp will be gone too. or do you behave in something else i don't know about.

[DRUNK]

I would think the Medical Industry would want Universal Health care. More people will get treatment if it's free and the money is guarantee. Corporations will love it, because they wouldn't have to pay for their own employees health care and workers comp will be gone too. or do you behave in something else i don't know about.

That sounds great, but unfortunately, it isn't true. You have to remember: someone always pays. Corporations will pay one way or another.

Drugs and services are extremely overpriced right now.

Universal health care would mean that the insurance companies would dissolve, killing part of the industry.

The bottomline is that being healthy in America is a difficult thing, leading to far more use of services than the rest of the world's universal health care.

what would happen is that slowly but surely, the food industry would get hammered into being healthy. healthy=expensive.

The more healthy people are, the less different kinds of drugs people will need, which will cripple the drug companies.

There are a million scenarios, but I believe it won't be profitable for anyone to have universal health care in America, and if it won't be profitable, then it won't happen.

[Pb Derigable]

There are a million scenarios, but I believe it won't be profitable for anyone to have universal health care in America, and if it won't be profitable, then it won't happen.

Good you proved your point. Sombody will find a way to be profitable. but not enough to cover other losses. I like the idea of universail helath care, but i don't see it happening. but i do think some form of it will pop out in the future.

[DRUNK]

I think universal health care is a great thing. I think it will continually pop up again in the future to be used as political fuel, but I don't see anything happening with it.

It is unfortunate, but at the same time, I don't see it fitting "America".

Remember, America is a country full of immigrants who have sought to create a better life than the one they had in their home lands.

The country is based off of individuals' motivation to work and create their own futures.

There is a genetic component to this as well. It would seem that the most daring and risk taking individuals would be the ones to immigrate to a new land.

So we have a combination people genetically inclined towards risk taking and hard work, along with a culture, and government that has evolved to interact with these facts.

Universal health care might even be called "unAmerican".

But, I think everyone should have the right to top quality health care, but my definition of everyone would be "those who are knowledgeable about their health, and what is responsible for their health, and act in ways that would benefit their health initially.

Because people that don't care about their health, shouldn't have the same care that those who do care about their health have.

[zepyep]

Hi all,

I think universal health care is a great thing. I think it will continually pop up again in the future to be used as political fuel, but I don't see anything happening with it.

It is unfortunate, but at the same time, I don't see it fitting "America".

Remember, America is a country full of immigrants who have sought to create a better life than the one they had in their home lands.

The country is based off of individuals' motivation to work and create their own futures.

There is a genetic component to this as well. It would seem that the most daring and risk taking individuals would be the ones to immigrate to a new land.

So we have a combination people genetically inclined towards risk taking and hard work, along with a culture, and government that has evolved to interact with these facts.

Universal health care might even be called "unAmerican".

But, I think everyone should have the right to top quality health care, but my definition of everyone would be "those who are knowledgeable about their health, and what is responsible for their health, and act in ways that would benefit their health initially.

Because people that don't care about their health, shouldn't have the same care that those who do care about their health have.

How is universal health care going in Canada?

Obama is toast,shame,.....not that I woud vote for him,read up on Deval Patrick,so get what you vote for,or against,.....

KB

[Hermit]

^^ what makes anyone think America can't do

universal healthcare better than the Canadians?

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Can you believe this shit??

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FOX NEWS to be network that provides media pool coverage for DNC

Friday, September 14, 2007

TVNewser has learned Fox News will be the pool for the Democratic National Convention in Denver beginning August 25, 2008. And NBC News will be the pool for the Republican National Convention in Minneapolis the following Monday, September 1.

The pool provides camera shots inside the convention halls and can be used by any cooperating (read: paying) entity. A network insider tells TVNewser it's really as simple as drawing straws about which network will be the pool for a certain event. Since NBC and FNC will be pool for the conventions, the other networks will likely be the pool for other events, including next fall's debates.

*source*

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The democratic party is turning over control of the

visual presentation of the DNC to.. FOX "News"???

Interesting that this has been kept so damn quiet. I heard about it on late

night talk radio tonight; I wonder if the shit is about to hit the fan on this.

I can only hope it does.