Zeppelins devil tag

[tsaeb eht]

I can't understand why Zep gets the devil tag on thier music. Not once do I feel that they are partying with the devil in thier lyrics or sound. Black Sabbath on the other hand seem to talk about the devil all the time.

AcDc talk about the devil as more of a mischvious character. I feel no darkness from Zep at all. If anything I feel like Zep are the good guys fighting the forces of evil.

Mc7

black sabbeth ozzy made his dad make the crosses to where to put around there necks beacuse the devil worshipers witches occolts would wonna have them play for them privet thay thought sabbeth would be down thay did not play for them thay got threts of curses and other shit throwen to the band thay are not evil thay are like a horror movie but in music form spells and other shit would be aimed to the band thats for sabbeth ... ACDC were just ozzy rock band that would play pubs drink a lot party then got famous thay dont hide thay say hells bells thay sing what the rock

people wonna listen to now LED ZEPPELIN its hidden more darker more true more real i hope you get what i am saying a killer does not kill when the sun is out and people are out to see thay do it when you least expect it in the dark hidden there are more secret meenins more hidden messiges than you think if you under stand the music you will know what i am saying you listen but you really dont listen maybe dont understand the menings of a sertin frase or verse in a song the freemasons are a secret with secret rituals you know the masons are there you know ther bilding you see them you can talk to them but thay have there secret and who are wee nobody its a secret only if you listen to it propley you can see the spirits love ZEPPELIN acdc no sabbath no sabbeth and acdc are for the human race to reconise that thay say devil it is devil satan it is satan but zeppelin are more true

LED ZEPPELIN ARE TRUE PAGE IS FOR REAL NOT FAKE LIKE OZZY OR ACDC OR OTHERS THAT SING THERE CRAP TO YOUR FACE more spiritual ZEPPELIN ARE FOR REAL THATS MY THOUGHT AND WHAT I KNOW

[59LesPaul]

Um,what?

[maven2blue]

black sabbeth ozzy made his dad make the crosses to where to put around there necks beacuse the devil worshipers witches occolts would wonna have them play for them privet thay thought sabbeth would be down thay did not play for them thay got threts of curses and other shit throwen to the band thay are not evil thay are like a horror movie but in music form spells and other shit would be aimed to the band thats for sabbeth ... ACDC were just ozzy rock band that would play pubs drink a lot party then got famous thay dont hide thay say hells bells thay sing what the rock

people wonna listen to now LED ZEPPELIN its hidden more darker more true more real i hope you get what i am saying a killer does not kill when the sun is out and people are out to see thay do it when you least expect it in the dark hidden there are more secret meenins more hidden messiges than you think if you under stand the music you will know what i am saying you listen but you really dont listen maybe dont understand the menings of a sertin frase or verse in a song the freemasons are a secret with secret rituals you know the masons are there you know ther bilding you see them you can talk to them but thay have there secret and who are wee nobody its a secret only if you listen to it propley you can see the spirits love ZEPPELIN acdc no sabbath no sabbeth and acdc are for the human race to reconise that thay say devil it is devil satan it is satan but zeppelin are more true

LED ZEPPELIN ARE TRUE PAGE IS FOR REAL NOT FAKE LIKE OZZY OR ACDC OR OTHERS THAT SING THERE CRAP TO YOUR FACE more spiritual ZEPPELIN ARE FOR REAL THATS MY THOUGHT AND WHAT I KNOW

I understand what you are saying. Some bands wear the devils tag for show, its a gimmick but they don't practice it in private.

As for listening, I have heard things while listening to Zeppelin but nothing devilish. The odd thing is that its always happened when I least expected it, caught me off guard. I have been curious to why this only happens when I'm listening to Zeppelin but I don't worry about. Not everything can be explained so there's no sense in obsessively mulling over it.

[Gervox]

Mr. Gervox, do you think I posted that because I believe that they (Led Zeppelin) sold their souls? Well, I guess you didn't understand I was saying that the media has a lot to do with celebrities/bands and their reputations. Not that I believe in what was being written!

PS it's a pity you are all pithed out.

Ah yes,I fully understood what you meant.

However,I am not one to deny a good tale (or indeed horns ) if it serves a purpose.

Anybody who truly believes that anyone can actually sell anything to the devil, is simply romantisizing or deluded.That is not actually a bad thing, in certain situations,And will no doubt serve Led Zeppelin in centuries to come.

I shant be one to burst any bubbles here.

Lets just say that there is myth,legend,and the truth,and given enough time they will all bleed into one.

In Led Zeppelins case, it took less than 10 years!.

[MisterMcLov1n]

The fact that some people automatically jump to the conclusion that the boys sold their souls to be famous, and don't even consider that maybe they were just 4 really talented people, is completely beyond me.

[Zanadu]

The way I see it, they use fallen angel symbolism and such, but not to promote anything evil. Rather they point at certain painful and perhaps unjust aspects of Judaeo-Christian teachings. For example why was Lucifer cast out from heaven? Because of his pride. Now, was that really necessary when eg. Jacob got away with actually fighting with God/angel, Paul got away with persecuting Christians...? What's so terrible about pride then?

Rock music was also generally labelled as devil's music at the time when the Zepps were young, and that must have been weird to boys who had great talent in playing and creating rock. Maybe they felt excluded and rejected, and then tried to communicate those sentiments to their audiences?

[Gervox]

The fact that some people automatically jump to the conclusion that the boys sold their souls to be famous, and don't even consider that maybe they were just 4 really talented people, is completely beyond me.

This is exactly true

It is a romantic embelleshment.The whole idea was stolen from a Legend about a man called Robert Johnson!.Ever heard of him?You should at least investigate.

Robert was an average blues musican of the early 1930's.

In his community He was seemingly everywhere.Mostly unwanted.

He was a poor guitartist and couldn't sing for shite.

Then,for no apparent reason, he disappeared for eighteen months or so,and suddenly (magicaly) reappeared transformed!

Not only could he play the blues properly,but so handsome had he become,he effortlessly attracted the attention of many women,married or not.{some say that this was not a good thing for him)

Ah... the story said he went down to the crossroads and he made a pact with the devil!

The sad truth was Robert had simply spent time practicing and practicing, practicing....

Many decades later,the whole "if he is that good he must be possesed! malarky Is still alive and well.

Not unique to Johnson or inded Led Zeppelin.

My Christian brother stole and destroyed my collection of Iron Maiden Lp's back in the early 80's,because he thought he was protecting me from the "Dark Lord Satan".

I remember asking him at the time what his problem was,and he replied that he didn't like the llustrations on the covers.

Only a few months ago,we were both watching a documentury about war planes,his favorite subject,when a very enthusiastic man started to talk.

My brother nodded his head in agreement with him, and said this guy knows his stuff!. I said yes ,you know who he is"?... "not got a clue",he replied.

Well it is Bruce Dickinson.My brother said who he?I said the singer from Iron Maiden..Sadly I don't think he made the connection.My brother is only five years older than myself,and if he was normal,would know more about these things than I!.

He has not made a connection between real things in the secular world since 1981.For the rest of the 80's,I only remember him telling me that Led Zeppelin,the Beatles and ELO were all in on a conspiracy to lead us to Hell.

My brother holds no store in the sheer enjoyment of life or the arts, holds no stock in talent or words that don't come from the mouth of his preacher,and only lives by the narrow minded belief of his own cult. I love my brother,and would die for him,but if it comes my time first, I will be regailing Jesus with stories of my wicked thief brother, till the cows come home!. With Bonzo playing the drums behind me!.

[Matt Harris]

why does everybody talk about jimmy and his private life. Just because he was different in many, many, many ways doesn't mean he has to be the centre of discussion.

[Aquamarine]

why does everybody talk about jimmy and his private life. Just because he was different in many, many, many ways doesn't mean he has to be the centre of discussion.

Well, this is a Led Zeppelin board, so they tend naturally to be the center of discussion.

Their private lives should be private, but people's interest in them is natural, up to a point, at least.

[4urlife]

I can't understand why Zep gets the devil tag on thier music. Not once do I feel that they are partying with the devil in thier lyrics or sound. Black Sabbath on the other hand seem to talk about the devil all the time.

AcDc talk about the devil as more of a mischvious character. I feel no darkness from Zep at all. If anything I feel like Zep are the good guys fighting the forces of evil.

Mc7

Jimmy Page (and possibly Robert to some degree) had a very strong interest in the occult, which he talked about often in interviews. This is why Led Zep were often tagged as satanists by the die hard christian organizations. Christians view occultism as the same as satanism, even though it is not.

[Knebby]

Jimmy Page (and possibly Robert to some degree) had a very strong interest in the occult, which he talked about often in interviews. This is why Led Zep were often tagged as satanists by the die hard christian organizations. Christians view occultism as the same as satanism, even though it is not.

Robert's never really had an interest in that area. He's into mysticism and nature and myth and legend. Pretty different. Another way in which the Golden God and the Dark Lord complemented each other.

[glicine]

Robert's never really had an interest in that area. He's into mysticism and nature and myth and legend. Pretty different. Another way in which the Golden God and the Dark Lord complemented each other.

I wonder if they had a good laugh when Robert wrote the "dark lord" line in The Battle of Evermore.

[4urlife]

Robert's never really had an interest in that area. He's into mysticism and nature and myth and legend. Pretty different. Another way in which the Golden God and the Dark Lord complemented each other.

Thanks for clarifying that. I always wondered what his take was on Jimmy's interest in the occult. As you mentioned... and is obvious from his song lyrics... he does seem to have an interest in mysticism, which is what led me to believe that he probably had a mild fascination in the occult.

This could turn out to be an interesting thread, so long as it doesn't get bogged down with backward masking and selling souls to satan crap. My guess is that it will get bogged down though. LOL

[Zanadu]

Thanks for clarifying that. I always wondered what his take was on Jimmy's interest in the occult. As you mentioned... and is obvious from his song lyrics... he does seem to have an interest in mysticism, which is what led me to believe that he probably had a mild fascination in the occult.

This could turn out to be an interesting thread, so long as it doesn't get bogged down with backward masking and selling souls to satan crap. My guess is that it will get bogged down though. LOL

Yes yes, but selling souls to demons is a big theme in some mythologies / legends, and the Golden God declaration can be seen as a pun about the biblical Golden Calf, thus mocking Moses's 1. commandment .

[beatbo]

This is exactly true

It is a romantic embelleshment.The whole idea was stolen from a Legend about a man called Robert Johnson!.Ever heard of him?You should at least investigate.

~snip~

this whole legend can be traced back to niccollo paganini, a virtuoso violin player how was said to have sold his soul to the devil for his talent.

paganini.com

from link (above)

Nicolo Paganini was born in Genoa, Italy, Oct 27, 1782. He was one of six children born to Teresa and Antonio Paganini. He was an Italian violinist and a composer, considered by many as the greatest of all time.

He received music lessons from his father before he was 6 years old and later from the best instructors in Genoa. He began to perform in public and composed his first sonata in 1790. In 1795 he went to Parma, Italy to study but the teachers there told him they could do nothing more for him. He then commenced on a course of self-training so rigorous that he often played 15 hours a day. In 1797 he started his concert tours, which for many years consisted of triumph after triumph. From 1805 to 1808 he was the court solo violinist at Lucca, appointed by Napoleon’s sister Elisa Bacciocchi. In 1809 Nicolo became a free-lance soloist performing his own music. He performed concerts throughout Italy.

In early 1828 Nicolo began a six and half year tour that started in Vienna and ended in Paris in September 1834. During the two and half year period from August 1828 to February, 1831 he visited some 40 cities in Germany, Bohemia, and Poland. Performances in Vienna, Paris, and London were hailed widely, and his tour in 1832 through England and Scotland made him wealthy.

His playing of tender passages was so beautiful that his audiences often burst into tears, and yet, he could perform with such force and velocity that at Vienna one listener became half crazed and declared that for some days that he had seen the Devil helping the violinist.

Once his fame was established, Paganini’s life was a mixture of triumphs and personal excesses. He earned large sums of money but he indulged recklessly in gambling and other forms of dissipation. On one occasion he was forced to pawn his violin. Having requested the loan of a violin from a wealthy French merchant so that he could fulfill an engagement, he was given a Guarnerius violin by the merchant and later refused to take it back when the concert was over. It was Paganini’s treasure and was bequeathed to the people of Genoa by the violinist and is still carefully preserved in that city

Paganini’s genius as a player overshadows his work as a composer. He wrote much of his music for his own performances, music so difficult that it was commonly thought that he entered into a pack with the Devil. His compositions included 24 caprices (published in 1820) for unaccompanied violin that are among the most difficult works ever written for the instrument. He also challenged musicians with such compositions as his 12 sonatas for violin and guitar; 6 violin concerti; and 6 quartets for violin, viola, cello, and guitar.

According to Philip Sandblom in his book Creativity and Disease few geniuses have experienced such lucky agonies as Paganini, bedeviled by a host of chronic complaints, including Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, marked by excessive flexibility of the joints. “This enabled Paganini to perform the astonishing double-stoppings and roulades for which he was famous”, Sandblom writes. “His wrist was so loose that he could move and twist it in all directions. Although his hand was not disproportional he could thus double its reach and play in the first three positions without shifting.”

It is well known that Paganini rarely practiced after his 30th birthday. Those who were closely associated with him used to marvel at his brilliant technique and watched him closely to discover how he retained it.

In performance Paganini enjoyed playing tricks, like tuning one of his strings a semitone high, or playing the majority of a piece on one string after breaking the other three. He astounded audiences with techniques that included harmonics, double stops, pizzicato with the left as well as the right hand, and near impossible fingerings and bowings.

Antonia Bianchi, a singer who toured with Nicolo in 1825, bore him a son, Cyrus Alexander on July 23, 1825. Although they were never married, he did lavish affection on his son for the rest of his life.

Known as a gambler, he unsuccessfully attempted to open a gambling casino in Paris in 1838. Later he moved to Marseilles and then to Nice, France where he died on May 27, 1840.

there is also Giuseppe Tartini (1692–1770), who wrote "the devils trill" after a dream about satan.

from wiki:

Devil's Trill Sonata

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Giuseppe TartiniThe Violin Sonata in G minor, more famously known as the Devil's Trill Sonata is a famous work for solo violin (with figured bass accompaniment) by Giuseppe Tartini (1692–1770), famous for being extremely technically demanding, even today.

The story behind "Devil's Trill" starts with a dream. Tartini allegedly told the French astronomer Jérôme Lalande that he dreamed that The Devil appeared to him and asked to be his servant. At the end of their lessons Tartini handed the devil his violin to test his skill—the devil immediately began to play with such virtuosity that Tartini felt his breath taken away. When the composer awoke he immediately jotted down the sonata, desperately trying to recapture what he had heard in the dream. Despite the sonata being successful with his audiences, Tartini lamented that the piece was still far from what he had heard in his dream. What he had written was, in his own words: "so inferior to what I had heard, that if I could have subsisted on other means, I would have broken my violin and abandoned music forever.

sorry, but robert johnson is far from the first, nor is this legend "stolen".

[Aquamarine]

So Paganini was actually his name? That's sorta disappointing--I'd always heard it was a nickname given to him by those who thought his talents were more "pagan" in character than Christian.

[glicine]

So Paganini was actually his name? That's sorta disappointing--I'd always heard it was a nickname given to him by those who thought his talents were more "pagan" in character than Christian.

See how things can be misinterpreted

[beatbo]

See how things can be misinterpreted

see how interpretations can be missed things

a little more on paganini:

His health deteriorated due to mercury poisoning by the mercury compound used at that time to treat syphilis.(unsubstantiated-beatbo) The disease caused him to lose the ability to play violin, and he retired in 1834. He died of throat cancer in Nice.

Paganini refused the last rites, believing he had longer to live. He died later that night before the priest could be resummoned. The Archbishop of Nice issued an edict refusing his body Christian burial. When Paganini's son arrived in Genoa with his father's body, they were denied entrance to the city, and the corpse languished for months before it was finally buried. While waiting for the court's decision, the embalmed body was on display to the public. Eventually, they placed the body under glass to assuage the problem of decay. According to Paganini's son, an entrepreneur offered 30,000 francs for the right to exhibit Paganini's body. The body was not laid in hallowed ground until 1845, and it was disinterred more than once after that.

[glicine]

see how interpretations can be missed things

a little more on paganini:

His health deteriorated due to mercury poisoning by the mercury compound used at that time to treat syphilis.(unsubstantiated-beatbo) The disease caused him to lose the ability to play violin, and he retired in 1834. He died of throat cancer in Nice.

Paganini refused the last rites, believing he had longer to live. He died later that night before the priest could be resummoned. The Archbishop of Nice issued an edict refusing his body Christian burial. When Paganini's son arrived in Genoa with his father's body, they were denied entrance to the city, and the corpse languished for months before it was finally buried. While waiting for the court's decision, the embalmed body was on display to the public. Eventually, they placed the body under glass to assuage the problem of decay. According to Paganini's son, an entrepreneur offered 30,000 francs for the right to exhibit Paganini's body. The body was not laid in hallowed ground until 1845, and it was disinterred more than once after that.

Sad sad sad that a genius ended like this...

[BIGDAN]

Sad sad sad that a genius ended like this...

No, no, no, Beatbo is still with us.

Regards, Danny

[beatbo]

No, no, no, Beatbo is still with us.

Regards, Danny

[Aquamarine]

See how things can be misinterpreted

Very true. I always kinda liked that story, though! You know, Go pagans!

Well, glad beatbo is still with us, anyway.

[glicine]

Well, glad beatbo is still with us, anyway.

LOL, indeed. I'm happy about this too

[beatbo]

rumours of my demise have been greatly exaggerated...

but, thank youse anyways......

[butchy stubbs]

Listen to the bow solo in D&C in TSRTS movie. The devil is there if you look.

Hear him? You can fucking see him in the front row! He's just a little to the right of the center of the stage and you only see him in a few shots in the first 5 minutes of the song. He's wearing a black fedora, giant black pointed sunglasses and wearing what looks like a sequened t-shirt with a big pot leaf in the middle and standing next to a fat chick with red hair. In one scene you can see him banging his head and make the devil horns with his right hand but you need to do frame by frame to see this very clearly.

Actually when i was in high school i could swear in one pard of Dazed on TSRTS during a second or so break in Jimmy's solo i could swear i hear what sounds like some audience members yelling "Satan" But maybe their yelling Jimmy or something. Anyone else notice this?

I always wondered about lyrics like from the song Houses Of The Holy where it mentions Satan's daughter and Robert sings "let the music be your master, will you heed the master's call?" But singing about bunny rabitts or something doesn't make for very interesting lyrics. My guess is the boys aren't exactly church going god fearing christians but weren't sacrificing babies to Satan either. Besides, if you read any of the doctrins on satanism it's just a form of aitheism really.