Administrators sam_webmaster Posted November 25, 2015 Administrators Share Posted November 25, 2015 I uploaded this new photo from 6-14-77 today and noticed what appears to be a 16mm camera at the bottom right of the stage? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juxtiphi Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 ICBW, Maybe he's shooting promo footage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FavouriteTipple Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Curious hypothesis. It could be a film camera. Looks like the film reel casings are there. A little odd that it's on the man's left shoulder, not right, becuase most film camera viewfinders were on the left, forcing the camera to be held on the right shoulder. I'm pretty sure there's a geeky filmmaking forum out there which would have keener, more informed eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick2632 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I could watch and enjoy an entire Zeppelin concert filmed at that exact spot wayyyyyy over what we have on TSRTS. That footage we have at Madison Square Garden 2/7/1975 from that exact spot (recently shared on here in the live section) is fantastic! Hopefully something from that camera reaches our hands someday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatOne Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 That's definitely not a photo camera. It's a video camera for sure, and interesting if for Promo and short footage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcarter690 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Its Abraham Zepruder! Definitely a video camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apantherfrommd Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Would it be a different person than the one who filmed this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 No way he'd be permitted to do so without Peter Grant's approval. So either he had approval (perhaps for the live documentary) or he tried and was stopped immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabe Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 To be between the security wall and stage certainly required vetted credentials I would guess.If not in the Zeppelin camp, I'm with Steve on this. A MSG press pass to an operating camera rolling without prior consent, I would believe to be squashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabe Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Also, with JPJ on keyboards, how far was the band into their set?SIBLY, NQ, I would guess. Five or six songs deep? There are no visible people to the right of the guy with the movie camera, and it looks like he's barely right to dead on center stage.I'm guessing he had the legitimate docs to be where he was at that particular time.If the dude was filming from the get go, to the still photo we see at top of the thread, that would be some badass footage to see to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutrocker Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Also, with JPJ on keyboards, how far was the band into their set?SIBLY, NQ, I would guess. Five or six songs deep? Looks like Jimmy is playing the Danelectro, so that'd be "Kashmir"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators sam_webmaster Posted November 26, 2015 Author Administrators Share Posted November 26, 2015 It looks like a pro 16mm film camera. I thought it could be for another news report, like the one from 2/7/75. (We do have the complete raw footage from the archive of 2/7/75). Unfortunately, I've not yet found any 1977 reference in the industry archives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Work Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Thoughts? "Holy grail of Led Zeppelin" "1977 kicks major a**", were my first two thoughts. And it is clearly Kashmir, but I guess you can never be sure.TY Samwise, that brings this '77 fan a lot of hope for the future. Anything to better represent '77 that what is currently out there will no doubt change opinions about the tour in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledzepfilm Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 We do have the complete raw footage from the archive of 2/7/75Will this ever be released? Is there more live footage than what's already out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apantherfrommd Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 It looks like a pro 16mm film camera. I thought it could be for another news report, like the one from 2/7/75. (We do have the complete raw footage from the archive of 2/7/75). Unfortunately, I've not yet found any 1977 reference in the industry archives. Well hell, Sam. This is like what you'd call a Zeppelin conspiracy theory. Way cool, Sam! Hey, I'm in. What's a conspiracy theory anyway, but a quest for truth? I wanna find out as much as you do now. This dude with the camera, stage left... Could he be any of the following in your opinion. (Courtesy of AA's site)Source: Incomplete 8mm color 1st amateur footage with actual sound. Almost 22 minutes.Details: The video is very dark. Distance scale ranges from full body filling half of screen height to full height. Most of copies have also footage from June 11th, 1977 incorporated in between The Battle Of Evermore and Whole Lotta Love because both are recorded by the same person and both dates were transferred in such way likely to match correct song order. Whole Lotta Love ad Rock And Roll are not available on any audio tape yet while here both are present with picture and sound. Snippets of this film were used in the "The Song Remains The Same" clip in a menu of the official DVD.or Recording: Incomplete 8mm silent color 2nd amateur footage. 7 minutes.Details: It starts at the very front of the stage and distant but for Achilles Last Stand it's at the diagonal left hand side of the stage. Originally some songs out of proper sequence. Some copies are synched up with existing audio and with other New York June 1977 dates for those, which are not taped. Again, snippets of this film were used in the "The Song Remains The Same" clip in a menu of the official DVD.Then again, those are 8mm. That's all I can contribute, that I know or read. Can we rule these sources out? If so, we've got some completely unknown sourced footage out there! Dude probably paid for his ticket in cash, so there's probably no way to identify dude by his location, I guess. Dag on! He was sure up there, wasn't he? Pretty darn close for a '77 show. Too darn close.Rock on, Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic_juice Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Well hell, Sam. This is like what you'd call a Zeppelin conspiracy theory. Way cool, Sam! Hey, I'm in. What's a conspiracy theory anyway, but a quest for truth? I wanna find out as much as you do now. This dude with the camera, stage left... Could he be any of the following in your opinion. (Courtesy of AA's site)Source: Incomplete 8mm color 1st amateur footage with actual sound. Almost 22 minutes.Details: The video is very dark. Distance scale ranges from full body filling half of screen height to full height. Most of copies have also footage from June 11th, 1977 incorporated in between The Battle Of Evermore and Whole Lotta Love because both are recorded by the same person and both dates were transferred in such way likely to match correct song order. Whole Lotta Love ad Rock And Roll are not available on any audio tape yet while here both are present with picture and sound. Snippets of this film were used in the "The Song Remains The Same" clip in a menu of the official DVD.or Recording: Incomplete 8mm silent color 2nd amateur footage. 7 minutes.Details: It starts at the very front of the stage and distant but for Achilles Last Stand it's at the diagonal left hand side of the stage. Originally some songs out of proper sequence. Some copies are synched up with existing audio and with other New York June 1977 dates for those, which are not taped. Again, snippets of this film were used in the "The Song Remains The Same" clip in a menu of the official DVD.Then again, those are 8mm. That's all I can contribute, that I know or read. Can we rule these sources out? If so, we've got some completely unknown sourced footage out there! Dude probably paid for his ticket in cash, so there's probably no way to identify dude by his location, I guess. Dag on! He was sure up there, wasn't he? Pretty darn close for a '77 show. Too darn close.Rock on, Sam Hey Panther I looked at that footage too and thought that some of that footage may fit the distance this guy was at but again like you said that camera does seem to be 16mm. What an amazing mystery and not one Zeppelin story or source about this footage can be found. The possibility of it being for a news story like the 75 footage seems very possible but to get to film what looks to be Kashmir and not just the beginning of the set seems intriguing. Another thing is I looked at other pics from this show and dont see this guy in the same spot. Wish we could get atleast another clue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgeholder Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I dunno, the two boxes in back go sideways, that doesn't seem right for a 16mm camera. But then it does seem too bulky for a still camera. Hmm. Would like to see any additional pictures the guy appears in. I want to believe, of course, but not really sure what the heck he's holding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Work Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I'm not sure which night is on Cosmic Energy's Assemblage, but during Kashmir (a small part that is synced), it appears the camera is near front row, close enough that Robert standing at his microphone is too close to fit entirely in the screen of the video. You can see Jones in the background (which makes it seem like the OP's photo could be another cameraman). I'd post a screenshot, but I'll leave that to someone with more knowledge on the subject. It appears that amateur footage was taken in the same spot. There is a lot of film from those '77 NYC gigs, maybe thats why the camera is so big? Idk. Just my two cents. I'm hoping its a 16mm though, and I hope it is professionally shot. Can't get enough '77.Ps. it appears Kashmir is (one of) the only songs shot that close up, front row position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pujols05 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Local news getting a little footage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Work Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Update on this, in addition to the long version of the amateur NYC '77 gig (not sure of date, almost an hour of dark footage), I watched the 6/14/77 footage again, and I'm almost 100% sure that you can see same cameraman filming during the end of Achilles. So, Kashmir to Achilles, which is a good hunk of film. Plus, if they are front row, filming during Kashmir, they no doubt filmed earlier in the gig. Seeing TSRTS-Sick Again from that angle, or a '77 Over the Hills and Far Away would be epic, my holy grail. Any more info folks? If you have the '77 NYC footage, give it a watch. Close to end of that awesome film footage of Achilles Last Stand. Thx in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led-Wallet Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Sam, just on the MSG 7/2/75 footage you mention complete? Are you talking complete as in the 3 song RnR, SA & OTHAFA or are you saying complete as in whole concert footage!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Work Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 all, or most, that is known from that camera is on the official site and circulating iirc. would be nice, i agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Dounim Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Update on this, in addition to the long version of the amateur NYC '77 gig (not sure of date, almost an hour of dark footage), I watched the 6/14/77 footage again, and I'm almost 100% sure that you can see same cameraman filming during the end of Achilles. So, Kashmir to Achilles, which is a good hunk of film. Plus, if they are front row, filming during Kashmir, they no doubt filmed earlier in the gig. Seeing TSRTS-Sick Again from that angle, or a '77 Over the Hills and Far Away would be epic, my holy grail. Any more info folks? If you have the '77 NYC footage, give it a watch. Close to end of that awesome film footage of Achilles Last Stand. Thx in advanceThat half hour of dark footage is from the 11th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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