NorthBoundSuarez Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) Very little is known about what Zeppelin had planned for their 1980/81 North American Tour. From what I understand, the band was hoping to refresh their set list a bit. I've heard that the band had worked up a live version of "Carouselambra" which had never been played live before. That would've been interesting to hear. Were there any other rumored songs that were going to be included in the set list that the band had never played before live? How about tracks that they hadn't played for awhile, or dumped after a few tries like "The Wanton Song"?? Ah...what the heck, a fantasy set list of mine for 1980/81 (of course I would've voted for rotating songs): 1) Train Kept A Rollin' 2) Heartbreaker 3) Black Dog 4) For Your Life 5) Dancing Days 6) All My Love 7) Carouselambra 8) The Rover 9) Trampled Under Foot 10) White Summer 11) Kashmir 12) Achilles Last Stand 13) Babe I'm Gonna Leave You 14) The Ocean 15) Stairway To Heaven ENCORE: 16) Wearing And Tearing 17) Whole Lotta Love 18) Rock and Roll Edited January 18, 2017 by NorthBoundSuarez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) 1. Wearing and Tearing (a nice fast rocker that isn't too difficult so Jimmy can get his fingers warmed up without having to worry about pulling off a difficult solo) 2. Nobody's Fault But Mine 3. The Rover 4. Celebration Day 5. Over the Hills and Far Away 6. Southbound Saurez 7. Fool in the Rain 8. Misty Mountain Hop 9. Tea For One or I'm Gonna Crawl (alternating every other night) 10. For Your Life 11. In the Light 12. Ten Years Gone 13. Hot Dog 14. Royal Orleans 15. Trampled Under Foot 16. Carouselambra 17. Bow solo intro (optional)/Achilles Last Stand 18. Kashmir Encores can rotate among the following songs: 19. Stairway to Heaven 20. Whole Lotta Love 21. The Ocean 22. Rock and Roll Edited January 19, 2017 by Strider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sathington Willoughby Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 4 hours ago, NorthBoundSuarez said: Very little is known about what Zeppelin had planned for their 1980/81 North American Tour. From what I understand, the band was hoping to refresh their set list a bit. I've heard that the band had worked up a live version of "Carouselambra" which had never been played live before. That would've been interesting to hear. Were there any other rumored songs that were going to be included in the set list that the band had never played before live? How about tracks that they hadn't played for awhile, or dumped after a few tries like "The Wanton Song"?? Ah...what the heck, a fantasy set list of mine for 1980/81 (of course I would've voted for rotating songs): 1) Train Kept A Rollin' 2) Heartbreaker 3) Black Dog 4) For Your Life 5) Dancing Days 6) All My Love 7) Carouselambra 8) The Rover 9) Trampled Under Foot 10) White Summer 11) Kashmir 12) Achilles Last Stand 13) Babe I'm Gonna Leave You 14) The Ocean 15) Stairway To Heaven ENCORE: 16) Wearing And Tearing 17) Whole Lotta Love 18) Rock and Roll Please God no more Black Dog and White Summer! Or Carouselambra! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillumpuffer Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 11 hours ago, Sathington Willoughby said: Please God no more Black Dog and White Summer! Or Carouselambra! Agreed. Although with the omission of the drum solo you do need a break to go for a slash? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigled Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I like to have Thank you on the setlist. Always seems and is relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sathington Willoughby Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 9 hours ago, chillumpuffer said: Agreed. Although with the omission of the drum solo you do need a break to go for a slash? Take a break during Carouselambra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Only Way To Fly Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Since this is fantasy I'll say by the 1980/1981 tour there would have been a support act(s). During 1980 Def Leppard had opened for AC/DC. I could see AC/DC as support for Zeppelin across North America. To make things interesting, as they made their way through the Southern United States; they would have picked up a little unknown band called R.E.M. for a couple of dates, and then U2 for larger venues. Set List: Warm up: Walk Don't Run Houses of the Holy Night Flight Carouselambra Celebration Day The Song Remains The Same > Rain Song (back together again) Kashmir That's The Way Going to California Black Country Woman 10 Years Gone What Is And... Stairway... Encore Break How Many More Times inc bow segment WLL inc medleys Encore Break II Over The Hills The Rover > end show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boleskinner Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I would have liked to have heard Carouselambra live in 80/81. When P&P incorporated the slow middle section into In the Evening at Glastonbury it sounded amazing. I've heard some rehearsals tapes of Carouslembra from 80(?) and it sounded so much heavier with Page and Bonham a lot higher in the mix. Hell, who knows, they might have even changed the cheesy keyboard sound on the main motif, or altered the keyboard rhythm slightly, as it quickly becomes irritating. Apart from that, I think the US tour could have been an opportunity to slip in a few shorter melodic numbers again like Ramble On and Good Times, Bad Times. Could have rejuvenated things, but I doubt it would have happened. The US tours always demanded epicness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FL6 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Boleskinner said: I would have liked to have heard Carouselambra live in 80/81. When P&P incorporated the slow middle section into In the Evening at Glastonbury it sounded amazing. I just looked that up, I didn't know about it but that was amazing. Anyone know the effect Jimmy uses for that slow part in Caouselambra? He seemed to get it live at Glastonbury. Edited January 20, 2017 by FL6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badgeholder Still Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 In The Evening Celebration Day Fire Kashmir opening Plantations "Good Evening!..." Whole Lotta Love>Wanton Song Wearing and Tearing The Rover In My Time Of Dying inc. various Jennings Farm Blues/Hats Off To Harper/Gallows Pole jams Bron-Yr-Aur Down By The Seaside Ten Years Gone Prelude Carouselambra inc. JPJ improvisation Over The Top>Bonzo's Montreux Noise Solo>Achilles Last Stand I'm Gonna Crawl Stairway To Heaven encore break Trampled Underfoot South Bound Suarez Hot Dog>Darlene>jam Rock and Roll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithril46 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 I really like all the set lists provided. At least from a fantasy perspective. In reality, Jimmy couldn't even work out a proper or even musically proper solo from Hot Dog. Has anyone EVER noticed this ?..? Page was simply not up to anything even mildly demanding which wasn't played on the 80' Europe trek. Now about the band getting back to epic, that would have been great in theory, but Bonzo and particularly Jimmy did not have their previous stamina. Some may argue, well the band would be tremendously psyched to get back to the states. Yes, to some degree, but Robert was kind of tentative and not enthusiastic about touring again. I think the idea was that once Robert hit the stage again in the states, he couldn't resist further ventures. Maybe so, maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xolo1974 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) My perfect set list: Wanton song The Rover (full version) Sick Again For Your Life Tea for One No Quarter Ten Years Gone Tangerine Thats the Way Going to California Black Country Woman Bron Yr Aur Stomp Kashmir In the Light Noise solo/Achilles Last Stand Stairway to Heaven Encore 1 Whole Lotta Love The Ocean Encore 2 Bring it on Home Thankyou Edited January 22, 2017 by Xolo1974 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 On 20/01/2017 at 3:15 AM, Boleskinner said: I've heard some rehearsals tapes of Carouslembra from 80(?) and it sounded so much heavier with Page and Bonham a lot higher in the mix. Where did you hear those? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in_the_evening Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) On 1/19/2017 at 10:15 PM, Boleskinner said: I would have liked to have heard Carouselambra live in 80/81. When P&P incorporated the slow middle section into In the Evening at Glastonbury it sounded amazing. The Carouselmabra part is OK. ITE is horrible, way too slow, and Page is completely lost in the mix, did he forget to plug in his guitar? If I didn't see him solo I would have guessed that he skipped it. Good potential setlists for US 1980! Edited January 24, 2017 by in_the_evening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boleskinner Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 3 hours ago, in_the_evening said: The Carouselmabra part is OK. ITE is horrible, way too slow, and Page is completely lost in the mix, did he forget to plug in his guitar? If I didn't see him solo I would have guessed that he skipped it. Good potential setlists for US 1980! Yeah I agree, the main section of ITE at Glastonbury dragged something rotten, but I thought the slow section from Carouselmbra was really good. A glimpse of what could have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boleskinner Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 15 hours ago, Mook said: Where did you hear those? Was actually '78 at Clearwell castle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamoKodela Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Well you can't expect, l that it would be much new, without a new album, so perhaps I should write Plant's new solo album, but of course that's already a musical request. I'll just listen to youtube! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 7 hours ago, Boleskinner said: Was actually '78 at Clearwell castle: Thanks, I've never heard that so I'll have a listen when I get home from work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyGirl Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) I love these suggestions, however as much as I do enjoy Zep's acoustic stuff live; in 1980 - 81 I don't know if a typical North American youth would have appreciated that, so it wouldn't have fit into my "what if" set list. Not that Zeppelin's music was political, still by 1980 music had taken such a sharp turn from the late '60s early '70s protesting the American Draft, Vietnam War, hippy folk all la-la-la Kumbayah holding hands headed out San Francisco with bell bottoms and flowers in their hair. I think the acoustic songs would have been a perfect fit '68 through '72. Maybe dabble a few in a night here and there in '73 '75, but by '77 - '80 songs mentioned like White Summer or Going to California should have been given a hiatus -- especially for an 1980 - '81 audience. The '90s onward who can predict what would have worked. Pop culture mainstream media influences so much. Even for Led Zeppelin; otherwise Jimmy would have had the dragon and poppy gear on at Knebworth instead taking the stage dressed as a middle school teacher. Ha-ha sorry I went with so many damn stereotypes. Something else to ponder with in the '80s. What could Zep have done with some supporting musicians in the studio and/or on the road? The recipe of 4 was brilliant, but probably very taxing, so maybe a couple of extra musicians could have helped rejuvenate them creatively IF the band was running on empty. I'm not saying Zep was washed up by any means, but the '80s were different musically than what Zep had been previously, and they were all about experimentation. Am I right?!? I guess the above idea is moot since the problems the guys were having during the final chapter were running much deeper than simply adding some extra musicians into the equation. Sorry I didn't do a set list. You all have it pretty much covered!! Edited January 24, 2017 by KellyGirl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boleskinner Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) On 25/01/2017 at 7:08 AM, KellyGirl said: Something else to ponder with in the '80s. What could Zep have done with some supporting musicians in the studio and/or on the road? The recipe of 4 was brilliant, but probably very taxing, so maybe a couple of extra musicians could have helped rejuvenate them creatively IF the band was running on empty. I'm not saying Zep was washed up by any means, but the '80s were different musically than what Zep had been previously, and they were all about experimentation. Am I right?!? I guess the above idea is moot since the problems the guys were having during the final chapter were running much deeper than simply adding some extra musicians into the equation. Would all depend on the power struggle, for want of a better phrase, in the band. Plant was calling the shots when he returned in '78 because the band were petrified of him quitting, but Page/Bonham (depending on their addiction) may have began to assert more control in the early 80s. I think Plant would have been open to using some extra musicians for certain live tracks, not sure about the others members. I think the studio material was a closed shop, bar string overdubs and the like which required an orchestra. But again, Plant may have had some ideas to freshen things up as you say, but I doubt the others would have agreed to it. It's true that when Billy Preston played on the Let it Be sessions he had a harmonious effect and the Beatles didn't squabble as much. My gut feeling is that Plant would have left shortly after the '80 US tour anyway. The Tour over Europe was patchy, but didn't get much press coverage. and slipped under the radar. If Page's playing was as inconsistent in the US, it would have been exposed and their legacy could have been tarnished. A lot of music in the 80s was quite precise. As Plant said in one interview, Page's loose Wagnerian approach didn't really fit with those times. Zep were a quintessential 1970s band. Edited January 30, 2017 by Boleskinner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rm2551 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 100% Boleskinner. It would not have gone well or ended well unless Page, Bonham and Grant - along with any other key members cleaned up and completely got off the gear. I don't think that would have been the case, and the car wreck of a US tour would have indeed tarnished them. The set list for the European tour was a bit shit. I don't think Jimmy was making good decisions through the fog he was in and that would probably have been the case for a US tour (more White Summer? ugh...). Plant I don't think would have hung around even if somehow they managed a great US tour. Surely that would be it for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBR_1000RR Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 The 1980 Tour over Europe was nowhere near as bad as some of you guys are trying to make it out to be...it was meant to be a reload tour without all of the pomp and circumstance of 1977. It accomplished what it set out to do. There are some great performances from that tour. Some aspects of the set list were okay, but overall it was a solid set list that moved away from the excess of 1977. If Bonham doesn't die and they do the 1980 fall tour of the US, it would have gone quite well, as would a subsequent Winter/Spring 1981 tour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeSticks Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) Another possibility would have been to complete the 1980/81 North American tour, and then take an extended break to allow band members to do solo albums and get healthy. Perhaps Plant could've given an ultimatum to Page/Bonzo that if they wanted LZ to continue, they needed to get their act in gear. Maybe Led Zep could've turned into the kind of band that Genesis became in the eighties (not musically of course!) where the band would do an album and tour, and then take a big break from each other for solo albums and such. That sort of thing could've possibly worked. Edited February 14, 2017 by ThreeSticks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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