Aquamarine Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Fascinating article. Too bad the sequence didn't turn out the way it was intended--hard to believe dissolves were too expensive!! I'd have had more questions for Dick Carruthers if I'd read this previously. (This is the ultimate in unnecessary attention to detail, but I think he was impersonating Popeye, not Fred Flintstone. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 (This is the ultimate in unnecessary attention to detail, but I think he was impersonating Popeye, not Fred Flintstone. ) Thanks! The author was mistaken, and the passage actually makes sense now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 The Song Remains the Same: Led Zeppelin - 40 Years Gone Thursday 20 November 7:30 pm Venue: The Barbour Room, The Sage Gateshead Tickets: £6 "Archivist and documentary maker Chris Phipps hosts this special event to consider the roots, influences and un-paralleled self-indulgence of four musicians who didn't need singles, live TV or sleeve notes to captivate generations. The event will include a screening of Led Zepellin's legendary concert film 'The Song Remains the Same'." "Also discussing the myth that is Led Zeppelin (in a pre-recorded interview) is the multi award-winning music director Dick Carruthers..." -------------------------------------------------------- This event the other night has already concluded, but I wanted to know if anyone here was able to make it? Is Dick's pre-recorded interview available anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Thanks for posting the article. I have that somewhere but it was good to read it again. Interesting to think about the filming of the fantasy sequences because we are now so technologically advanced that it is a bit hard to imagine how certain things they may have wanted to do that Robert was mentioning, would have been too difficult or expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanie_72 Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Thanks for posting Sam and thanks to Dick Carruthers for taking the time to answer everyone's very informative questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 The Song Remains the Same: Led Zeppelin - 40 Years Gone Thursday 20 November 7:30 pm Venue: The Barbour Room, The Sage Gateshead Tickets: £6 "Archivist and documentary maker Chris Phipps hosts this special event to consider the roots, influences and un-paralleled self-indulgence of four musicians who didn't need singles, live TV or sleeve notes to captivate generations. The event will include a screening of Led Zepellin's legendary concert film 'The Song Remains the Same'." "Also discussing the myth that is Led Zeppelin (in a pre-recorded interview) is the multi award-winning music director Dick Carruthers..." -------------------------------------------------------- This event the other night has already concluded, but I wanted to know if anyone here was able to make it? Is Dick's pre-recorded interview available anywhere? Dick's interview was fascinating - the guy can talk! - and his enthusiasm very endearing, but I don't think there are any plans to make it available. I do plan on trying to paraphrase some anecdotes for this thread when I have time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leding lady Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 This was really interesting. Thanks to all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunChild Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 The first time I saw the movie I was convinced Robert was going to get bucked right into the water But I like the fact they left it in - made it a bit more real if that makes sense. Yes, that's how I feel too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunChild Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Excerpt from 'Tie Dye On The Railway' by Neil Jeffries of Kerrang! (April 1988): The conversation rolls on as the train hurtles north. We laugh about the portions of his fantasy sequence from 'Rain Song' in 'The Song Remains The Same' now used in he introduction for 'Immigrant Song' "Yeah, isn't that funny?" You've just done it for a giggle? "Oh, sure! Sure, Olive!" he adds, aping Fred Flintstone. "That's the ultimate preposterous hard rock gesture, isn't' tit? That horse - I had to have a box to stand on it. He was a 17 hand block steeplechaser, and so f**kin fast…It was filmed at a place called Dylfe (edit: Dyfed?) in Wales. The horse wouldn't go in the water, I remember." "Then we were doing this scene at Lake Bala in North Wales where - very environmentally conscious - we sprayed petrol or kerosene onto the lake and set fire to it at sunset, and we had the sword on the beach in silhouette. Look what we did for your magazine! We gave you a license for a lifetime, didn't we? There was me there with the sword, but thinking, If the Wolves don't score a f**kin' goal this Saturday, I'm not going again!" What powered the boat? Cos there you were up in the front, but it didn't have a sail! "I'm pushing very hard to get the out-takes from 'The Song Remains the Same' put into film form and tied together with some soundtrack. On the out-takes you would see the captain of the boat, with his hat on, keep popping his head up. Cos he's lying down operating the tiller at the back. And I'm just standing there, like your average Black Country guy flying through the water near Aberdovey! "But that's it! Didn't we create the ultimate rock gesture? There's Pagey crawling up his mountain, Jonesy looking for the wife, Bonzo with his car, and me with my search for truth - and the woman who vanishes at the end. Actually, that was quite neat. We couldn't use a dissolve, I wanted her to turn into china clay and disappear. Film techniques were too expensive. But it wasn't supposed to be, 'I can pull any chick in the world, man,' it was, 'That which is most beautiful and you strive hardest for should always be too far away to get.' Like this career! "The crazy thing about it is, the sound was never mixed and it sounds so f**kin bad! There's no effect on my voice, some of it's out of tune, but it was just, 'Oh that'll do!" That was one of the most courageous things about Zep - 'F**k the mistakes…" 'Physical Graffiti' has got quite a few errors but we were just going for it." Cool, thank you. Explains a lot. It certainly sounds a lot better now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunChild Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Thanks for posting the article. I have that somewhere but it was good to read it again. Interesting to think about the filming of the fantasy sequences because we are now so technologically advanced that it is a bit hard to imagine how certain things they may have wanted to do that Robert was mentioning, would have been too difficult or expensive. It was four years before "Star Wars," which itself looks cardboard-y and quaint, anymore. The film's lack of technical sophistication is a lot of it's charm, but also why people tend to, (sorry) laugh at it, I think. It's pretty clear not many of those involved had spent time at UCLA film school... Before that's read the wrong way - they tried like mad, and of course the music more than makes up for it. Anyway, people still watch it, don't they? (It does help to get a little stoned first... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorer714 Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Anyway, people still watch it, don't they? (It does help to get a little stoned first... ) Yeah,maybe if you're 15 or 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ro_a Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Yeah,maybe if you're 15 or 16. or 36 (exhaling...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pb Derigable Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 I asked at least two questions, and both were graciously responded too. I openly admit I don't know everything, but I do aspire to be the figure on the mountaintop. I must be going now, for the moon is full and I've got some climbing to do. I haven't poked you in a while. Im heading back to Ramble on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunChild Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 or 36 (exhaling...) That's the way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilith Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Thanks everyone for this - absolutely brilliant! Edited 'cos I thought I'd posted the wrong smilie, but I haven't - however it doesn't appear as the right one! Huh?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrycja Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTGbtgYNJFQ lol That's funny right there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achillesfirststand Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 or 36 (exhaling...) HILARIOUS!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Just a little bump because Mr Carruthers deserves some spotlight right now. Sorry I never got around to that paraphrasing ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Seeking quotes from Mr. Carruthers concerning the recurring use of 8mm footage in his films. Please post here if found. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonson Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Seeking quotes from Mr. Carruthers concerning the recurring use of 8mm footage in his films. Please post here if found. Thank you. after attending the Berlin screening that had a Q & A with JPJ and DC, i remember Alan Bangs asking him just about that and Dick said they had decided to "put a coupla Super 8 cams into the audience, just to see what comes out of it. You know, i just love Super8 and it seemed to fit the bill here, seeing LZ coming from the 70s when Super8 was all over the place. Also I kinda love the grainyness and different color image response and it also gives you a bit of a bootleg vibe". that is not a quote, but memory... the rest of the filmed interview still has to find a way to come to light here. anyway i really think he was specifically talking about Super 8 and not 8mm films being used for Celebration day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 after attending the Berlin screening that had a Q & A with JPJ and DC, i remember Alan Bangs asking him just about that and Dick said they had decided to "put a coupla Super 8 cams into the audience, just to see what comes out of it. You know, i just love Super8 and it seemed to fit the bill here, seeing LZ coming from the 70s when Super8 was all over the place. Also I kinda love the grainyness and different color image response and it also gives you a bit of a bootleg vibe". that is not a quote, but memory... the rest of the filmed interview still has to find a way to come to light here. anyway i really think he was specifically talking about Super 8 and not 8mm films being used for Celebration day. Yes, Super 8. Well, I found the color image response to be intriguing but aside from that for me the format did not compliment the film or the performance for that matter. IMHO if used more sparingly the stated intent for it's inclusion would have been met better in that it wouldn't have become predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f2walsh Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Thanks Sam and Knebby! Great question Reggie. Hope you are doing well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDave Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 I personally, liked the use of the Super8 footage, but it may have been used a bit much at times. Quite often it did work rather well, depending on the shot, song and how it blended with the HD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezer Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Any chance that there will be a follow-up Q&A session? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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