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Physical Graffitti vs. Exile on Main St.

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PG to me is the better double album. When it comes to SFingers vs ZoSo. Its pretty even. I like both bands.

I want to start a thread about the difference between The Stones, The Who and Zep.

MC7

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PG to me is the better double album. When it comes to SFingers vs ZoSo. Its pretty even. I like both bands.

I want to start a thread about the difference between The Stones, The Who and Zep.

MC7

Cool idea!! :)

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Hmmm...I had a feeling that was going to happen. :lol:

:lol::lol:

What gave it away? :whistling:

In all seriousness;I had a very simple criteria:Exile On Main St. is the only album I can listen to in its' entirety again and again,and never get tired of it.I've been listening to it for ages,and I still hear something new whenever I put it on.

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I don't think "Exile" is their best album. "Sticky Fingers" and "Let It Bleed" are better to me.

Its usually stated that Exile was /is the Stones best album.While I love it,not my favorite either.I'll take Get Your Ya Yas Out or Some Girls Or even Its only Rock and Roll or Sticky Fingers.

As far as PG goes If I had to choose, I would take it over any Stones album. No direspect to Stones,one of my top favs too.

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when Robert and the boys were rockin crowded in front of Bonham's drum set Dick Jagger had to hop around on an inflatable penis to get noticed. This comparison is unfair. The poor Stones will always show up w a pocket knife to a gun fight when compared to the mighty Hammer of the Gods LED ZEPPELIN

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If it wasnt for Peter the stones wouldnt have even got off the ground. john paul jones musical arranging on their albums,please musically the Stones are roadies compared to Jimmy and John Paul

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I don't think "Exile" is their best album. "Sticky Fingers" and "Let It Bleed" are better to me.

The reason for the comparison is that both bands only made one double album (back in the days of vinyl...ask your parents if you don't know what that is), and the discussion was over the merits of oe against the other. Personally I don't think PG was Zep's best, and I don't think Exile was the Stone's best either.

I probably started this in a fit of pique after seeing the topic on IORR and seeing how everybody lined up against Led Zep!

I guess I should go and see how this is debate is doing on IORR, but they've probably lost interest now....

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Very different double albums, I like both...Is this a pop quiz if so Black and Blue & Presence.

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The Two Albums are completely Different and each is Excellent in it's own right.

Frankly I wouldn't put Physical Graffiti up there as the Best Zeppelin Album.. It's great no doubt but Zoso/4 and II are both better.

But the two are completely different styles and to ask which is better is to ask which is more beautiful.. Notre Dame Cathedral or the Taj Mahal.. both are beautiful.

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I want to start a thread about the difference between The Stones, The Who and Zep.

I couldn't see one, so I've started it over on the Other Bands section

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I appreciate the Stones. I understand their attitude and their swagger. I love a lot of their stuff and would always put them within top 3 classic rock bands ever. I've read some about the situation with the recording sessions and the atmosphere around their tax exile hideouts. Though there are some true gems on the album, but there is one area that the Stones can't come close to Zep on- musical diversity and song distinction. Let's face it, a Stones song is a Stones song. Most of them fit within the same mold. Physical Graffiti, like the other albums before it, defined musical diversity. You're going from one landscape to another. One planet to another. With Exile, you're basically just hanging out on Main St. listening to the band jam and pop pills. Not a bad thing, but that tends to bore the average listener after a few listens. Physical Graffiti has no two songs alike. It defines variety and soundscape.

I know Exile works better as a whole album as there are few real standout songs compared to other Stones albums. Tumbling Dice is arguably the strongest radio track on it. But the good thing is, most of the other songs have a similar feel and attitude. So if you like one song on Exile, you'll like most of the others. On the other hand, if you don't like Tumbling Dice, Loving Cup, All Down The Line, you probably won't like the album. The whole thing has that "Laid back, southern rock mixed with country blues" feel that the band was engrossed by during this time. Zeppelin knocked that out of the park with In My Time Of Dying, which featured more attitude, heavier riffs, and more extravagant instrumental work than anything on Exile. So, that's one Zep track that rivals a lot of Exile. Physical Graffiti is a kaleidoscope of different colors and shapes, a plethora of riffs and rhythms carefully constructed and pieced together, not just a jam session. Of course, it's kind of cheating considering Physical Graffiti was cobbled together from "back burner" tracks that Page had saved up. But even without them, the new recordings for Physical Graffiti were much stronger stand-alone tracks than most of Exile.

I will note one attribute of Jagger and the boys that Zep lacked almost entirely- social familiarity. Plant could sing about viking raids and lemon squeezings all day and nobody could touch him, but when it came to just telling a story with lyrics, he came up pretty short. Plant's voice was an instrument where Jagger's was a human being conveying a real life situation to you. Zep's instrumentation worked more like a well oiled machine where the Stones' songs seemed to gel into more of a warm, "live" feel. But my God, let's be honest- there is no "Kashmir" on Exile. There is no In My Time Of Dying. There is no BronYaur. No Trampled Underfoot. Zep was unquestionably more dynamic. I'd grant that Kashmir alone has gotten more airplay than everything from Exile.

Production and Engineering- I've listened to the original Exile and the deluxe edition. They all sound dreadful. I'm not entirely familiar with which songs were recorded where, but the majority of Exile has a dull, flat, overly bright sound that is rather harsh on the ears. The guitar tones are thin and distant, unlike the beefy tone that was on Sticky Fingers. Keep in mind the album was engineered by Andy and Glyn Johns, who worked with the Beatles, The Who, and Led Zeppelin. So something doesn't add up for this 1972 release. It sounds..like shit. Then let's get to Jagger, who's obviously drunk and mumbling on half the recordings. His voice is unusually higher pitched as well. No contest here, I'd even contest that Zep's first album sounded better than Exile.

Double album worthy? Nope. Exile should've never been a double album in my opinion. To my ears there are a lot of filler tracks. Filler tracks being songs that aren't sonically significant or distinctive, or maybe overly repetitive with no real captivating hook. Songs like Rip This Joint, Shake Your Hips, and Casino Boogie are obvious filler to my ears and I have no idea why these lame tracks open up the album. Hell, even Down By The Seaside has more melodic significance than a lot of Exile. If this album had been whittled down to the core of the stand out tracks, it would've made a much stronger impression. I think at the end of the day the band was pressured into releasing a double album just because. Considering a 12" record can hold a total of about 44 minutes, this is my pick for a stronger, no filler, track list:

1. Rocks Off

2. Tumbling Dice

3. Sweet Virginia

4. Loving Cup

5. Happy

6. Sweet Black Angel

7. Turd On The Run

8. Ventilator Blues

9. Let It Loose

10. All Down The Line

11. Shine A Light

12. Soul Survivor

I think this track list would've easily put the album on par with Sticky Fingers. But the extra tracks seem to stretch it a bit too thin.

 

 

Edited by gibsonfan159

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Excellent points - and agree with the Exile track listing. One exception - Just Want To See His Face (LOVE this track) - maybe put that on as a B-Side to Tumbling Dice; just like Hey Hey What Can I Do. 

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Both great albums, wouldn't change a note on either of them personally.

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On 1/14/2019 at 6:17 AM, gibsonfan159 said:

Production and Engineering- I've listened to the original Exile and the deluxe edition. They all sound dreadful. I'm not entirely familiar with which songs were recorded where, but the majority of Exile has a dull, flat, overly bright sound that is rather harsh on the ears. The guitar tones are thin and distant, unlike the beefy tone that was on Sticky Fingers. Keep in mind the album was engineered by Andy and Glyn Johns, who worked with the Beatles, The Who, and Led Zeppelin. So something doesn't add up for this 1972 release. It sounds..like shit. Then let's get to Jagger, who's obviously drunk and mumbling on half the recordings. His voice is unusually higher pitched as well. No contest here, I'd even contest that Zep's first album sounded better than Exile.

 
Exactly my thoughts. I never liked Exile. The sound is so dreadful, dull, flat, dry, sh*t. The only song I like is Ventilator Blues, I don't like any other song from that record.
Sticky Fingers is the only album comparable to Zeps catalog.
 
IMO IMTOD blows every Stones song away - and I'm a huge Stones fan too

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PG for me! I like the Stones quite a bit, but like someone else on this thread said years ago... they just don't touch me the same way Zep does. Zep is like part of my very being, whereas the Stones are just great music. Also, there are always a couple of songs on every Stones album that I just cannot stand and I can't say that for any Zep albums. 

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5 hours ago, EaglesOfOneNest said:

Also, there are always a couple of songs on every Stones album that I just cannot stand and I can't say that for any Zep albums

The Stones had like ten albums worse than Presence. 

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15 hours ago, EaglesOfOneNest said:

PG for me! I like the Stones quite a bit, but like someone else on this thread said years ago... they just don't touch me the same way Zep does. Zep is like part of my very being, whereas the Stones are just great music. Also, there are always a couple of songs on every Stones album that I just cannot stand and I can't say that for any Zep albums. 

Great post. Totally get what you’re saying re; the way Zep gets to you. I like the Stones, but I don’t rate them at all post Mick Taylor 

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10 hours ago, gibsonfan159 said:

The Stones had like ten albums worse than Presence. 

Name 'em, I can think of  maybe one, "Dirty Work". Really it's all about personal taste, as the bias here is heavily weighted towards Zeppelin it's pretty obvious PG is winning the "argument" here. Anyway to throw in my two pennies I think PG just edges it as a double LP, though I could make a single album from the two where they would be a neck and neck photo finish.

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1 hour ago, hummingbird69 said:

tattoo you

Definitely not (imo), keep 'em coming.

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1 hour ago, JTM said:

Definitely not (imo), keep 'em coming.

Lol, it's all a matter of opinion. IMO, "It's Only Rock And Roll" and "Goat's Head Soup" are weaker albums.

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3 hours ago, hummingbird69 said:

tattoo you

Presence had two stand out tracks (Achilles and NFBM) and Tattoo You had two (Start Me Up and Waiting On A Friend), so I think that's very plausible. Go ahead and throw in every Stones album post 1980. They basically disappeared until Voodoo Lounge spawned one decent track. Babylon also only had two radio tracks (neither of which rivals Presence).

I mean, I'm not trying to purposely crap on the band, but they've been musically insignificant since "Start Me Up." All opinion of course.

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Personally, I think 'Under Cover of the Night' is the Stones last relevant album, and I think its more inspired than 'Tattoo You'. The title track and 'The Pain of Love' are the standout tracks and feature Jagger in top form. 

Personally (again), I cannot compare the Stones albums to Zeppelin's because they just did completely different things musically, and I appreciate/love them both. However, I will say that if Brown Sugar and Honkey Tonk Women had been on 'Let It Bleed' like they should have been, it would have been hands down the greatest rock album ever made. I believe the publishing of both these songs were "delayed" due to the Stones extricating themselves out of the hideous contract where they'd signed away all their copyright ownership from 1964 to 1969.....what a disaster!

Imagine this track listing:

Gimmie Shelter

Honkey Tonk Women

Live With Me

Love In Vain

Let It Bleed

Brown Sugar

Midnight Rambler

You Got the Silver

Monkey Man

You Can't Always Get What You Want

 

 

 

 

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