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3 hours ago, Stryder1978 said:

I am also a huge GoT fan (been to the filming sites in N. Ireland, Iceland, Spain, Malta and Croatia).  I have not really been enthusiastic about "House of the Dragon" partly because it's a prequel well before the Song of Ice and Fire and second because of the shitty last two seasons of GoT.

Did you enjoy the first episode?

I did enjoy it.  I realize that it is not GoT but it has the look and feel of it.  I actually look forward seeing how the events of HoD unfold.  Of course this being a new show, I have no idea what happens though there does seem to be civil war on the horizon between two Targaryens for the succession of the Iron Throne.  If you are a huge GoT fan, I would highly suggest it.  That's cool that you have been to the sites featured in Game of Thrones.  

 

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On 8/16/2022 at 8:36 AM, kingzoso said:

Without giving anything away, I think they did.  Of course there will be some people who won't like it or be satisfied with the ending but I thought it was a perfect ending to an awesome show.  When you finish it let me know what you thought about it (the finale).

Finished "Better Call Saul" last night....just WOW!  If Vince Gilligan and the cast don't win a slew of Emmys next year, there's something wrong with the universe.  I can't imagine anyone complaining about the series finale - other than a great series is now over.  Plot lines were great, plenty of surprises, character arcs were followed through...just fantastic!

I can't help but wonder if there will be a "Better Call Kim" series next?

I hope David Benioff · D. B. Weiss watched it to see how REAL producers end their series......

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After all the hype and the caning, The Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power is getting on the internet, I decided to watch it, however, after about 15 minutes I turned it off and maybe I'll watch it again later.
It is, however, visually stunning and no doubt they have tried to emulate (copy), Peter Jackson's vision of Middle Earth and that is where the similarity ends.
Firstly, the title is misleading. Although the characters were created by Tolkien, the storyline in this series was not and as it is set long before LOTR a lot of poetic licence has been taken and as the writers have said, "this is the story Tolkien SHOULD'VE written"!?
The writers have changed the some of the characters appearance and personality.
Galadriel for example is written as a powerful elf queen yet comes across as Legolas in drag and apparently Elrond is gay.
I wonder what they have done to the others. There are no Hobbits as such, only Harfoots (which look remarkably like them), who live underground and filthy.
 
As most of my generation grew up with and read the books and since the movies of the 2000's more people are familiar with the stories.
Even the interviews with cast members and producers I watched on YouTube have shown and proven inaccuracies.
Such as this is the first time female dwarfs have been portrayed on film. Incorrect. They first appeared briefly in The Hobbit trilogy. It would've been more accurate to say, " this is the first time a female dwarf has been portrayed by a coloured person." Which could be construed as a racist comment.
It seems "the most expensive television show in history" is about diversity, cancel culture and woke mentality and not about staying true to Tolkien's amazing life's work.
he appeared briefly in The Hobbit trilogy. It would've been more accurate to say, "this is the first time a female dwarf has been portrayed by a coloured person."
Which is an absurd racist comment to begin with.
It seems the tone of "the most expensive television show ever made" is about diversity and woke mentality and not about staying true to Tolkien's amazing life's works.
 
So, I watched the first two episodes and as far as stories go it was surprisingly good.
A bit slow as the action sequences were few and far in between due to the amount of time dedicated to character development. Prime have invented some characters to enhance the story.
Both were over an hour long.
The sequences with the dwarves led by Durin in Khazad-Dum and the mines of Moria in their glory days were shot very well.
Their disclaimer, " based on the novel The Lord of the Rings and its appendices by J. R. R. Tolkien."
Not much in the way of woke so far, only time will tell however, there are female versions of Frodo and Sam, and it looks suspiciously like the producers are forming another fellowship of sorts.
For me it was ok with my only gripe being that it was a missed opportunity to give Tolkien credit where it was due and stayed true to his writings.
I'll continue to watch it if only out of curiosity with an open mind and a discerning viewpoint.
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On 9/5/2022 at 2:30 AM, Reggie29 said:
After all the hype and the caning, The Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power is getting on the internet, I decided to watch it, however, after about 15 minutes I turned it off and maybe I'll watch it again later.
It is, however, visually stunning and no doubt they have tried to emulate (copy), Peter Jackson's vision of Middle Earth and that is where the similarity ends.
Firstly, the title is misleading. Although the characters were created by Tolkien, the storyline in this series was not and as it is set long before LOTR a lot of poetic licence has been taken and as the writers have said, "this is the story Tolkien SHOULD'VE written"!?
The writers have changed the some of the characters appearance and personality.
Galadriel for example is written as a powerful elf queen yet comes across as Legolas in drag and apparently Elrond is gay.
I wonder what they have done to the others. There are no Hobbits as such, only Harfoots (which look remarkably like them), who live underground and filthy.
 
As most of my generation grew up with and read the books and since the movies of the 2000's more people are familiar with the stories.
Even the interviews with cast members and producers I watched on YouTube have shown and proven inaccuracies.
Such as this is the first time female dwarfs have been portrayed on film. Incorrect. They first appeared briefly in The Hobbit trilogy. It would've been more accurate to say, " this is the first time a female dwarf has been portrayed by a coloured person." Which could be construed as a racist comment.
It seems "the most expensive television show in history" is about diversity, cancel culture and woke mentality and not about staying true to Tolkien's amazing life's work.
he appeared briefly in The Hobbit trilogy. It would've been more accurate to say, "this is the first time a female dwarf has been portrayed by a coloured person."
Which is an absurd racist comment to begin with.
It seems the tone of "the most expensive television show ever made" is about diversity and woke mentality and not about staying true to Tolkien's amazing life's works.
 
So, I watched the first two episodes and as far as stories go it was surprisingly good.
A bit slow as the action sequences were few and far in between due to the amount of time dedicated to character development. Prime have invented some characters to enhance the story.
Both were over an hour long.
The sequences with the dwarves led by Durin in Khazad-Dum and the mines of Moria in their glory days were shot very well.
Their disclaimer, " based on the novel The Lord of the Rings and its appendices by J. R. R. Tolkien."
Not much in the way of woke so far, only time will tell however, there are female versions of Frodo and Sam, and it looks suspiciously like the producers are forming another fellowship of sorts.
For me it was ok with my only gripe being that it was a missed opportunity to give Tolkien credit where it was due and stayed true to his writings.
I'll continue to watch it if only out of curiosity with an open mind and a discerning viewpoint.

I watched all three episodes  I loved IT!!  I was drawn right in. Galadriel's character was always of interest to me and I like the idea of seeing what made her the terrible beauty she is in  LOTR.

So many complaints about this show online!  Why do people have to attach their own drama and bullshit to entertainment??  This is exactly what I need to help remove my self from the world of everyday crap that we live in. 6 seasons seems a bit long but if it stays interesting I will watch every episode.

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I watched all three episodes  I loved IT!!  I was drawn right in. Galadriel's character was always of interest to me and I like the idea of seeing what made her the terrible beauty she is in  LOTR.

So many complaints about this show online!  Why do people have to attach their own drama and bullshit to entertainment??  This is exactly what I need to help remove my self from the world of everyday crap that we live in. 6 seasons seems a bit long but if it stays interesting I will watch every episode.

Ask the cast that question as the only criticisms have been about not being accurate and following Tolkien lore. They have been playing the race card and clearly know nothing about any of his works except perhaps Jackson's movies. 

Tolkien never depicted Galadriel as a warrior elf and although she was powerful in magic she was kind and generally had a happy and pleasant personality. Unlike the portrayal of her by the wooden actress what's her name whose face would break if she ever cracked a smile. She may be interesting in so far as Galadriel's character has been bastardised. If you haven't already, I suggest you read The Silmarillion and others by Christopher Tolkien.

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2 hours ago, Reggie29 said:

Ask the cast that question as the only criticisms have been about not being accurate and following Tolkien lore. They have been playing the race card and clearly know nothing about any of his works except perhaps Jackson's movies. 

Tolkien never depicted Galadriel as a warrior elf and although she was powerful in magic she was kind and generally had a happy and pleasant personality. Unlike the portrayal of her by the wooden actress what's her name whose face would break if she ever cracked a smile. She may be interesting in so far as Galadriel's character has been bastardised. If you haven't already, I suggest you read The Silmarillion and others by Christopher Tolkien.

There's asimple answer for your problem. Don't watch it if you don't like it.

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14 hours ago, hummingbird69 said:

There's asimple answer for your problem. Don't watch it if you don't like it.

I don't have a problem with the show except it tends to be more GOT than LOTR and apart from the Tolkien characters that's where the similarity ends. I watch it because I'm interested to see where it goes, I will criticise where it's warranted and so far, it's as slow as a wet week. Not much action and banal dialogue coupled with some ordinary acting. Hopefully it does improve over the next five or so seasons.

Have a nice day.

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On 9/12/2022 at 8:05 PM, Reggie29 said:

I don't have a problem with the show except it tends to be more GOT than LOTR and apart from the Tolkien characters that's where the similarity ends. I watch it because I'm interested to see where it goes, I will criticise where it's warranted and so far, it's as slow as a wet week. Not much action and banal dialogue coupled with some ordinary acting. Hopefully it does improve over the next five or so seasons.

Have a nice day.

 So far I have only one complaint. The vocals are too soft and the music swells are too loud.

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On 9/4/2022 at 11:30 PM, Reggie29 said:
After all the hype and the caning, The Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power is getting on the internet, I decided to watch it, however, after about 15 minutes I turned it off and maybe I'll watch it again later.
It is, however, visually stunning and no doubt they have tried to emulate (copy), Peter Jackson's vision of Middle Earth and that is where the similarity ends.
Firstly, the title is misleading. Although the characters were created by Tolkien, the storyline in this series was not and as it is set long before LOTR a lot of poetic licence has been taken and as the writers have said, "this is the story Tolkien SHOULD'VE written"!?
The writers have changed the some of the characters appearance and personality.
Galadriel for example is written as a powerful elf queen yet comes across as Legolas in drag and apparently Elrond is gay.
I wonder what they have done to the others. There are no Hobbits as such, only Harfoots (which look remarkably like them), who live underground and filthy.
 
As most of my generation grew up with and read the books and since the movies of the 2000's more people are familiar with the stories.
Even the interviews with cast members and producers I watched on YouTube have shown and proven inaccuracies.
Such as this is the first time female dwarfs have been portrayed on film. Incorrect. They first appeared briefly in The Hobbit trilogy. It would've been more accurate to say, " this is the first time a female dwarf has been portrayed by a coloured person." Which could be construed as a racist comment.
It seems "the most expensive television show in history" is about diversity, cancel culture and woke mentality and not about staying true to Tolkien's amazing life's work.
he appeared briefly in The Hobbit trilogy. It would've been more accurate to say, "this is the first time a female dwarf has been portrayed by a coloured person."
Which is an absurd racist comment to begin with.
It seems the tone of "the most expensive television show ever made" is about diversity and woke mentality and not about staying true to Tolkien's amazing life's works.
 
So, I watched the first two episodes and as far as stories go it was surprisingly good.
A bit slow as the action sequences were few and far in between due to the amount of time dedicated to character development. Prime have invented some characters to enhance the story.
Both were over an hour long.
The sequences with the dwarves led by Durin in Khazad-Dum and the mines of Moria in their glory days were shot very well.
Their disclaimer, " based on the novel The Lord of the Rings and its appendices by J. R. R. Tolkien."
Not much in the way of woke so far, only time will tell however, there are female versions of Frodo and Sam, and it looks suspiciously like the producers are forming another fellowship of sorts.
For me it was ok with my only gripe being that it was a missed opportunity to give Tolkien credit where it was due and stayed true to his writings.
I'll continue to watch it if only out of curiosity with an open mind and a discerning viewpoint.

You've helped save me time. Judging from your post, I have no interest in a woke version of Tolkien and will give this a pass.

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So, Rings of Power has just shown the season's penultimate episode and it's still the same old thing. Slow with boring dialogue exchanges which do nothing for the storyline along with unbelievable fight sequences.

Guyladriel is the most unlikeable character ever. She is contradictory, hypocritical and sullen as anyone could possibly be and not to mention impossibly invincible, whereas the male characters are portrayed as weak.

The showrunners label critics as "patently evil" and apparently, I am evil, misogynistic, racist and sexist all rolled into one. My only gripe is with Guyladriel who is ironically played by a white female. Does that mean being a white male I am racist toward my own race? That there sums up the logic of the show.

At the end of last week's episode, she was facing a pyroclastic flow and this week miraculously survived it uninjured. Who knew that to cause a volcanic eruption, just add water?

The setting was a watchtower built and controlled by Elves however, canals were built by Orcs under the "watchful" eyes of the Elves. A battle ensued and a sword that can't be destroyed even though it's broken (sound familiar?) is used as a key to unleash a dam that emptied into the volcano.

Meanwhile the Dwarves and Elves are haggling over the mining of Mithriel and Durin and his wife are discussing the overthrowing of Durin's father among other things. after they went ahead and mined against the king's wishes. After a couple of blows they awakened a Balrog. 

The Harfoots (not Hobbits!?) are nomadic and like everyone else in the show are not nice. They go around singing songs about how they stick together yet abandoned a family from their caravan and left them to survive on their own.

The aftermath had many implausible plot lines including "cliffhangers" like but not limited to, did Isildur as well as others survive? Which we all know they did.

Sauron is yet to make an appearance as we don't know, if he is one of the current cast members or a future addition. A corrupted elf called Adar (not a Tolkien character) and leader of the Orcs and treacherous men has established Mordor in the shadow and desolation of Mount Doom.

The next series has begun production just this week and will air sometime in 2024. Surely it will get better, it couldn't possibly get any worse.

 

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So, The Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power ("The most expensive television series ever made"), ended with a whimper and not the bang the showrunners would have us believe.

The series and plotlines overall were predictable bordering on boring with little continuity or sense of being. Tolkien's stories are all about good versus evil yet, in this show everyone is inherently evil with no redeeming qualities.

The actors had been given a crap script, contradictory and somewhat confusing dialogue and direction which unfortunately affected their and particularly Morfydd Clark's, acting.

The only saving graces were the scenery and music score but at $70 million per episode the money had to go somewhere!?

Guyladriel whom for the most part the first season was all about, is the most despicable characterisation ever who is hellbent on revenge of her brother Finrod's death and it seems her husband Celebor is dead because of his ill-fitting armour.

Meteor Man (aka Gandalf, who by the way didn't exist in the second age), used paraphrased dialogue from The Fellowship of the Ring, "Follow your nose.", among other gems. He may yet turn out to be the first Blue Wizard, but I doubt it. Then there were the three female Witches who believed he was Sauron and promptly dispatched by Meteor Man and transformed into Nazgals!?

Halbrand was indeed Sauron as was obvious from his first scene with Galadriel.

The Dwarves were possibly the best of a bad bunch though not much screen time as the other storylines. Elrond and Durin have developed a bromance whilst mining Mithril to save Lindon, the Elf Kingdom against the Dwarf Kings wishes.

Don't mention the hobbits err, Harfoots. Why they are even in the show is a mystery.

The unanswered cliffhanger from the previous episode, "Did Isildur survive?" Of course, he did otherwise there would be no Lord of the Rings. This is an example of their idea of suspense and poor writing and insulting the viewer's intelligence and I'm pretty sure they, the viewers would be familiar with Tolkien's work if only from Peter Jackson's trilogy.

The three Elf rings were not the first created as the finale indicated.

The first 9 rings of power created were for the Kings of Men, including The Witch King of Angmar, who were corrupted and destined to become the Nazgul / Ring Wraiths. That would have been a better first season introduction and a more interesting tale to begin with and truer to the name of the actual show. 

The next season, the making of the 7 rings for the Dwarf Lords that led to the fall of Khazad-Dum, and the awakening of the Balrog.

Then season three about the 3 Elven rings and finally the One ring for season four. Interspersed with the making of the Sword of Elendil and Mithril etc.

Season five could've followed the rise of Isildur culminating in the climactic battle against Sauron.

Had they written the proper story from the outset the series would have been great except they decided to produce "the story Tolkien should have written."

The second season will apparently focus entirely on Sauron, whom the showrunners have declared, "will be complexly evil like Tony Soprano and Walter White!" A cross between a Mafia boss and a Meth dealer? Give me a break.

 

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