LedNoodle Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Emerson, Lake, and Palmer Yes King Crimson Supertramp Asia So who likes it? I love it. I'm interested to see about this on what is mainly a hard rock forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustle In My Hedgerow Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, the early Electric Light Orchestra stuff... it's all awesome man. There are a lot of fans of this on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~tangerine~ Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 I love Progressive Rock. Genesis (still one of my favorite bands), YES, Pink Floyd, Traffic, The Moody Blues, King Crimson, great bands. I also like ELO, not so much a RUSH fan, but i know how much their fans adore them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedNoodle Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 I love Rush, but i like the hard rock stuff better of theirs. i never considered pink floyd prog rock. they're pink floyd, and that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~tangerine~ Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 I love Rush, but i like the hard rock stuff better of theirs. i never considered pink floyd prog rock. they're pink floyd, and that's it. A good article on "Progressive Rock". Pink Floyd are most certainly considered to be part of this genre. http://www3.niu.edu/newsplace/nnprogressive.html NorthernNotes Progressive Rock The Progressive Rock Era marked a period of experimentation that is unique in the history of rock and roll. Its music, while made with mostly traditional "rock" instruments, produced songs and sounds that pushed the limits of conventional rock and expanded the limits of what you could do musically within the rock genre. What distinguishes progressive rock from other genres in the rock world is the emphasis on composition over basic song structure. The lengths on most progressive rock songs exceed five minutes regularly, and often filled an entire side of an album (Yes' Close To the Edge, Genesis' Supper's Ready and Emerson, Lake and Palmer's Karn Evil 9). Many progressive rock bands relied on keyboards as a predominate instrument as opposed to the guitar. While traditional rock and roll is ultimately based on the blues, progressive rock tends to be based more in European classical music and post bop jazz. Gustav Holtz's Mars was a concert staple at King Crimson concerts in the early 70's and Emerson, Lake and Palmer put Copeland's Hoedown and Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition in their repertoire. Because European classical music is known for grandiose instrumental passages and post bop jazz is known for improvisation, the influence they provided to the structure of progressive rock cause a division on how the movement was, and is, viewed in rock history. For example in the early 70's progressive groups such as Emerson, Lake and Palmer were viewed by both fans and critics as innovators and geniuses. A popular joke circulating during the same time period was Q: How do you spell pretentious? A: E-L-P. Beginnings While the period does not have an exact "starting date" many rock historians and musicians who played at that time believe that the Progressive Rock Movement was set in motion by the release of the Beatles Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band in 1967. "After Sgt. Pepper, there were no rules to follow -- rock and pop bands could try anything, for better or worse," said Stephen Thomas Erlewine in the All Music Guide. Seemingly overnight, numerous groups that would have profound influence on music in the 1970's began to form (mainly in England). Jethro Tull was founded in Blackpool by eccentric flutist Ian Anderson. The Electric Light Orchestra was the vehicle for musicians Jeff Lynne and Roy Wood to incorporate a full time string section into a rock and roll band. And a band from Manchester called Pink Floyd, released what many musicologists called the first psychedelic album with The Piper at the Gates of Dawn. Even established bands of the time began to experiment with the rock sound, such as the Moody Blues, who recorded their Days of Futures Past album with conductor Peter Knight and the London Symphony Orchestra. Even the Rolling Stones also got into the act (and divided their fan and critical base in the process) with the psychedelic Their Satanic Majesties Request. While the majority of songs that were played on the radio were similar in structure to those that received airplay before this new era of experimentation began, the course was clearly set. Small college radio stations and specialty shows such as Clyde Clifford's Beaker Street (which reached most of the Northern Hemisphere) began to play selections from these albums, which intern gained enormous popularity with college students who were particularly interested in the alternative culture that was developing throughout the country. 1969-73 The Golden Era The year 1969 saw the new experimental movement gained its common name "progressive rock" (although the origin of this is unknown). Nineteen sixty-nine also saw a new batch of bands that would eventually become the embodiment of the genre. Yes released its first album on Atlantic (although larger success would not come to the band until 1971's The Yes Album). King Crimson released In The Court Of The Crimson King, which garnered the most attention among fans and critics alike (Pete Townsend of The Who called In The Court..."an uncanny masterpeice." The era of 1969-73 proved to be the golden age of the movement, aided by an influx of new bands such as Genesis and the first progressive rock "supergroup," Emerson, Lake and Palmer featuring keyboardist Keith Emerson of The Nice, bassist Greg Lake of King Crimson and Carl Palmer of Atomic Rooster) and a new breed of FM stations who ignored the tight restrictions of AM Pop Radio in favor of a more freer format that accompanied Progressive Rock bands. Progressive bands also were making strides in AM commercial radio. Yes hit the American Billboard Charts with a condensed version of "Roundabout" in 1972, Genesis received some mainstream airplay in 1973 with "I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)" and Jethro Tull grabbed stateside success with 1971's "Aqualung" remains a staple of classic rock radio. In 1973 Pink Floyd released The Dark Side of the Moon which stayed on the Billboard Chart of the Top 200 records through 1987. The movement arrived at mainstream success. However the dynamic of the music scene was beginning to change and by 1974 an anti- progressive movement had begun. 1974-76 Decline Progressive Rock had always had it's detractors, but by 1974 there was an out and out anti-progressive movement in the form of Pub Rock. "If pub rock is anything, it is loose and unpretentious -- these were guys that played music for the hell of it...This kind of rootsy music stood in direct contrast to the glam rock, hard rock, and prog rock that dominated the British charts," said the All Music Guide. While Pub Rock ultimately did not come anywhere near the status that progressive rock enjoyed, groups like Ducks Deluxe and Dr. Feelgood, represented a back to basics approach to music that stood against everything that the movement had stood for. Pub Rock served as inspiration to and paved the road for the next musical movement that would overthrow progressive rock from the mainstream plateau: Punk Rock. Punk Rock was directly opposite to anything thing that progressive rock stood for. While Progressive bands preferred long, winding "compositions," Punk Rock were extremely short, simple songs. A classic example of this is the debut album from New York Punk legends, The Ramones, whose 1976 debut album clocked in with 14 songs at 28 minutes (Jethro Tull's Thick as A Brick, which many consider a progressive rock masterwork, takes approximately 50 minutes). Prog Rock specialized in complex, melodic sequences. Most Punk Rock groups, on the other hand only knew four chords, and the overall emphasis of the song was on rhythm. The Punks also made their displeasure with the progressive movement, which they regarded as old and self indulgent, widely known,. The single most famous example of the "punk additude" on Progressive was done by Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols who regularly wore a T-Shirt on stage saying "I Hate Pink Floyd." The message began to resonate. The Punk movement changed the landscape of music. No longer was it considered in fashion to make long, complicated compositions. The younger audience that Prog Rockers held only a few years before had now gravitated towards punk (those that didn't were drawn to disco). Sales of progressive rock albums began to plummet. The era was coming to an end. Epilogue 1976- Present Emerson Lake and Palmer, after enjoying resounding success before the emergence of Punk, disbanded in 1978. Peter Gabriel left Genesis in 1975 to pursue a solo career. While the remaining members carried on, the band, under the leadership of Phil Collins departed the progressive format for a more pop oriented sound. They became one of the biggest selling acts of the 1980's. Yes, one of the biggest selling acts of the progressive rock era struggled on after the punk explosion before splitting up in 1980. The group reunited less than three years later and had a top ten hit with "Owner of a Lonely Heart," which, like Genesis, emphasized a more pop oriented format. Other groups continued to perform. Jethro Tull released jtull dot com in 1999. King Crimson reunited in 1994 (after disbanding in 1975, reuniting in 1981 and splitting up again in 1984), to record Thrax and Pink Floyd, while never quite matching the success of Dark Side of the Moon, remains one of the top concerts grossers in the music business. But there is no new blood to carry the values of the movement. While some modern bands embark on progressive-like ventures (Dream Theater, Smashing Pumpkins and Spiritualized) there is no out and out new progressive band in the national music map. Which makes what happened during its era, very special. There was nothing that sounded like it before, and nothing has sounded like it since. By Tyler Vincent (Manteca20@aol.com). April 11, 2000. NorthernNotes from Northern Illinois University To other student pages prepared by the NIU journalism program's intermediate newswriting class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainsbarre Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 I tell you what, that Rick Wakeman '6 Wives of Henry VIII' album is a great prog rock album, I very seriously recommend it, but other than that, yes, I like Yes, Jethro Tull is good Thick As A Brick especially, I do like some of ELP, they were certainly great musicians, but sometimes they're a little too much. I did however like Keith Emerson's previous band, The Nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedNoodle Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 I love Yes out of all these bands most. I love Pink Floyd, but I still see them as Psychadelic Blues and less prog rock. Nothing compares to Fragile, or The Yes Album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZep4Ever Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 I like all the above mention bands. ELP, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Rush & Yes are all at the top of my list. But another one of my favorite progressive rock bands that seems to get over looked all the time is Uriah Heep. The three studio albums released between 1972 through 1973; Demons and Wizards, The Magician's Birthday and Sweet Freedom are all awesome LP’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmsofAtlas Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Pink Floyd and Rush are both awesome. Zep, and even the Beatles were very progressive, but I dunno if you could define them as prog, although, I think you could make a pretty strong case. How bout some newer stuff? Some of my faves The Mars Volta Tool Hella I have found that the music I listen to most, while I wouldn't call it prog, has several elements of it. I like ACDC quite a bit, but just don't reach for them, or these days, spin my ipod wheel to them. I am fine with a band that doesn't change it up, but they better be instantly identifiable and better than any of the imitators. I tend to reach for something like Zep, obviously, or Pearl Jam, or some other band that progresses album by album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHD Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 I love Yes out of all these bands most. I love Pink Floyd, but I still see them as Psychadelic Blues and less prog rock. Nothing compares to Fragile, or The Yes Album. Me too. I also love Jethro Tull. I have tried ELP a couple of times, but I just can't get into them. The only song that does anything for me is Lucky Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danelectro59 Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Emerson, Lake, and Palmer Yes King Crimson Supertramp Asia So who likes it? I love it. I'm interested to see about this on what is mainly a hard rock forum. ELP - Yes, although have you seen Greg Lake lately? Yes - Absolutely. John Anderson's voice is second only to RP. King Crimson - The original prog band. Robert Fripp is a genius Supertramp - Gotta pass on this one. Good early stuff, but "Dreamer?" Asia - Not so much. Have to put this one in the "Blind Faith" category. We needed more. Now some others you may want to listen to if you haven't already. UK - Around in 76, 77 and 78. Had Bill Bruford (drums), Alan Holdsworth (guitar), Eddie Jobson (keys and violin) and John Wetton (bass, vocals). They did some dynamic stuff. Also, Alan Parsons Project. The legendary Pink Floyd producer steps out from behind the mixing board and gives us a great couple of albums. I still love "I Robot" to this day. The opening bass line to "Wouldn't Want to Be Like You" is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmie ray Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Supertramp - Gotta pass on this one. Good early stuff, but "Dreamer?" Asia - Not so much. Yep - all the bands mentioned here are great, except these two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef free Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 I'm in on this: Good progressive bands are incredable live. King Crimson, Yes, ELP, Genesis, and Pink Floyd were great classic Progressive bands, only King Crimson remains truely progressive. Lesser known originals include UK, Gentle Giant, Brand X, Captain Beyond, Hatfield and the North and Gong. Some bands were semi-progressive (or just really hard to classify): Rush, Tull, even Zep. Mars Volta, Tool and others carry the torch (and really kick ass live). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suz Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 I love Yes out of all these bands most. Me, too. I even like their 80's stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarlaxle 56 Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Yes 3 King Crimson Opeth Tool Porcupine Tree ...list goes on... I've tried to get into Dream Theater/Liquid Tension Experiment but it's not really that interesting to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles_Obscure Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 Mister Z... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yahyoubetcha Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 Love it. Gentle Giant, Camel, Spock's Beard, Renaissance, Happy the Man, early Genesis, Porcupine Tree, Dream Theater, Yes, ELP. It seems this music is more like a work of art than most rock or pop music, like some thought and creative juice was put into it. I think one of the things that made Zep so great was that Page took the music to a level above what everyone else was writing in the blues based rock vein. He wrote with such heart and creativity that his music stands out as something truly original. He could have easily crossed over to the "prog rock" side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JethroTull Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 Clarification - Pink Floyd is NOT progressive rock as evidenced by their inclusion in the Rock and Roll HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JethroTull Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 This is just too funny.... Dr. Evil explains The Alan Parsons Project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleNecker Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 Triumvirat = ELP clone, but they're good. Van Der Graaf Generator = Peter Hamill is nuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainsbarre Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 Clarification - Pink Floyd is NOT progressive rock as evidenced by their inclusion in the Rock and Roll HOF. I never thought of them as prog rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danelectro59 Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 This is just too funny.... Dr. Evil explains The Alan Parsons Project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundRobin Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Everyone has their opinion, but most every list of Prog Artist's include Pink Floyd. Here's one I found and a good place to start. 1. Yes 2. King Crimson 3. Genesis 4. Emerson Lake & Palmer 5. Pink Floyd 6. Rush 7. Jethro Tull 8. Frank Zappa/Mothers of Invention 9. Dream Theater 10. Kraftwerk 11. Traffic 12. Dixie Dregs 13. Gentle Giant 14. Van der Graaf Generator 15. The Moody Blues 16. Marillion 17. Frank Zappa 18. Magma 19. Gong 20. Kansas 21. Tangerine Dream 22. Caravan 23. The Mahavishnu Orchestra 24. The Soft Machine 25. Family 26. Hawkwind 27. Mike Oldfield 28. Uriah Heep 29. Camel 30. Rick Wakeman 31. Peter Gabriel 32. The Flower Kings 33. Premiata Forneria Marconi 34. The Strawbs 35. Renaissance 36. Can 37. Goblin 38. Wigwam 39. Queensryche 40. Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso 41. Electric Light Orchestra 42. King's X 43. Anglagard 44. Amon Duul 45. Procol Harum 46. Brian Eno 47. Captain Beefheart & the Magic Band 48. Eloy 49. Porcupine Tree 50. Alan Parson's Project 51. Bo Hansson 52. The Beatles 53. Spock's Beard 54. Asia 55. Vangelis 56. Le Orme 57. Tool 58. Fate's Warning 59. Ayreon 60. Baryclay James Harvest 61. Ange 62. IQ 63. Utopia 64. Opeth 65. Ozric Tentacles 66. Symphony X 67. Liquid Tension Experiment 68. Transatlantic 69. Steve Hackett 70. Aphrodite's Child 71. Focus 72. Supertramp 73. Adrian Belew 74. California Guitar Trio 75. Anekdoten 76. Savatage 77. Area 78. Hatfield & the North 79. Styx 80. Happy The Man 81. Nektar 82. Henry Cow 83. Robert Fripp 84. Saga 85. Primus 86. Bozzio Levin Stevens 87. Niacin 88. The Nice 89. Shadow Gallery 90. UK 91. The Mars Volta 92. Atomic Rooster 93. Birth Control 94. Andromeda 95. Pain of Salvation 96. Comus 97. Roxy Music 98. Pendragon 99. Rhapsody 100. Stratovarius http://digitaldreamdoor.nutsie.com/pages/b...rtistsprog.html The above link also includes other sub-categories of progressive rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedNoodle Posted August 10, 2008 Author Share Posted August 10, 2008 nice list, i guess. You can see how they did it. The Beatles were not a prgo rock band as a whole, but they did influence it, which is why they aren't higher, i guess. Styx should have been higher. and ELO. I'm surprised to see the Dixie Gregs on there. "southern progressive instrumental rock". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtPepper67 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I love it! Not everything, but most of the classic progressive bands. Pink Floyd, Genesis and ELP are definitely my favourite prog bands. I also like King Crimson, Yes, Jethro Tull, Supertramp, Eloy, Kansas, Caravan, Camel, also some stuff by Marillion, Dream Theatre and Spock's Beard, and some prog related bands like ELO and Styx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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