The Vaccine for Covid is coming fast

[Strider]

When I want info on Australia, I will rely on actual Australians not Tucker Carlson or zero hedge et al.

‘A giant prison’

For those who haven’t been following the conversation on the right about Australia, Donald Trump’s recent entry into the chat might have been a little baffling.

On Friday, the former president put out a statement that included only this tweet, from the conservative columnist Scott Morefield: “I don’t think it’s far-fetched to say that if Donald Trump hadn’t won in 2016 and appointed three SCOTUS justices, the U.S. would literally be Australia right now.”

Coming just after the Supreme Court’s conservative majority blocked President Biden’s vaccine mandate for large businesses, the first half of Morefield’s tweet speaks for itself. But the second half, the context-free swipe at Australia, requires some explaining.

Over the past few months, Australia — Western-allied, democratic Australia — has become a byword among conservatives for an over-the-top approach to combating the coronavirus pandemic. The government there has used aggressive vaccine mandates, quarantines, border restrictions and lockdowns to keep Covid-19 deaths below 3,000 people in a country of 25 million, with some trade-offs in personal freedoms.

But the commentary on the American right has made Australia out to be some kind of authoritarian state:

In National Review, the flagship magazine of mainstream conservative thought, various headlines have read “When Will Someone Hold Human-Rights Hearings on Australia?,” “Australians Are Suffering from Excessive COVID Lockdowns,” and “When a Western Society Goes Insane.” A Sept. 9 article in The Federalist declared: “The once free and open Australian continent has effectively become a giant prison for its 26 million residents.” That same month, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida mused aloud: “Is Australia freer than China, communist China, right now? I don’t know. The fact that that’s even a question tells you something has gone dramatically off the rails with some of this stuff.”

On Sept. 30, Tucker Carlson, the Fox News host, devoted 12 minutes of his show to Australia, documenting its supposed slide into authoritarianism. “One moment the English-speaking world is mocking China for being dystopian and autocratic,” he warned. “The next moment they’re aping China and hunting people down who are two blocks from their homes and smoking a cigarette.” Two months later, Carlson referred to a quarantine facility in Darwin, Australia, as a “Covid concentration camp.” In October, Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, got into an exchange with the leader of Australia’s Northern Territory after tweeting, “I’ve always said Australia is the Texas of the Pacific. The Covid tyranny of their current government is disgraceful & sad. Individual liberty matters. I stand with the people of #Australia.” In November, Joe Rogan, mistaking satire for a real ad, posted on his Instagram account: “Not only has Australia had the worst reaction to the pandemic with dystopian, police-state measures that are truly inconceivable to the rest of the civilized world, but they also have the absolute dumbest propaganda.”

These concerns prompted Van Badham, an Australian journalist, to fire back in a guest opinion essay for The New York Times entitled: “No, Australia Is Not Actually an Evil Dictatorship.”

The comparisons died down for a while, but the recent standoff between Novak Djokovic and Australian tennis authorities over the Serbian star’s refusal to vaccinate has brought the topic raging back. Trump and DeSantis are also shadowboxing over their respective records on Covid, ahead of a possible clash in the 2024 Republican presidential primary, so the fact that both have mentioned Australia is especially interesting.

Our man in Sydney

But what’s really happening in Australia? To get some ground truth, we chatted with Damien Cave, the Australia bureau chief for The New York Times. In recent months, Cave has explored how Australians have reacted to the country’s zero-tolerance Covid policies. He also wrote about his experience at a quarantine camp.

How are things there in Australia? Can you tell us how the country is dealing with the pandemic right now?

Case numbers have reached new highs with an Omicron outbreak, hospitals in major cities are struggling to cope and most people are just trying to be careful and avoid being infected. Masks are mandatory indoors (nearly everyone complies without complaining) and the era of closed borders, between states and internationally, is also coming to an end. Essentially, there is both a mix of more movement and a fair amount of caution and continued anxiety.

We know there have been protests, particularly in Melbourne, the capital of the state of Victoria. How widespread is the feeling that the government’s Covid policies have gone too far?

There are certainly some Australians who have been frustrated by moments of heavy-handedness. At one point in Melbourne, Victorian state authorities closed outdoor playgrounds even though there was little risk there. That really angered a lot of parents. The border closures also really made a lot of people furious, especially Australians living overseas who were trying to get home.

But Australians are also extremely proud of how they’ve handled the pandemic. The country has had fewer deaths per capita than just about anywhere. And while the lockdowns were hard, there was a lot of government aid to help workers and businesses. Most Australians, in polls and in interviews I’ve done all over the country, will tell you that, despite the problems, it’s been worth it.

Are Australians aware of what conservative commentators in the United States are saying about them? What do they make of hearing that they’re living in a dystopian police state?

The Australians who are aware — including many conservatives — find that both odd and insulting. They tend to think it’s absurd for those conservatives to be attacking Australia’s policies from a country where 800,000 people have died from Covid, thanks in part, Australians argue, to America’s obsession with individualism and “freedom” rather than a respect for collective sacrifice.

So there are federal elections coming up this year, right? Are we going to see critics of the government running against incumbents on Covid?

There will be criticism of the government for going too slowly and not doing enough to get people what they need, with vaccines early on and with rapid antigen tests now. But generally, there’s a pretty broad consensus in Australia: What they’ve done since 2020 has mostly worked, and now it’s time to transition out of restrictions, carefully, while continuing to encourage vaccination.

A lot of the criticism from the American right feels outdated and out of touch. Australians are living their lives, kids are about to go back to school and the continued effort to be careful to keep people safe, with some space restrictions at major events and masks, is something they tend to shrug off as a bit irritating but necessary for the good of the country.

[Stryder1978]

....I actually listened to part of his presser yesterday when I turned on the tele.  He would pause in the middle of a sentence so long that I thought the TV feed was frozen because of our bad weather.  Not so, he just couldn't seem to put a complete sentence together without it being written down for him or on the teleprompter.  It was both embarrassing and frightening to watch!

And I wish one of his hand picked "reporters" at the briefing would have had the gnads to ask him about this staement":

Democratic White House hopeful Joe Biden said Thursday during his final debate with President Donald Trump that presiding over the nation as 220,000 Americans died from the coronavirus should disqualify Trump from reelection. "Anyone who's responsible for so many-covid 19-deaths should not be president."

So far, since Biden has been in office, 379,000 Americans have died of Covid.

[hummingbird69]

21 minutes ago, Strider said:

You do realize we are living in the 21st Century?

yeah just a typo i was typing fast

[Stryder1978]

No offense Strider, but your source is hardly unbiased:

Our man in Sydney

But what’s really happening in Australia? To get some ground truth, we chatted with Damien Cave, the Australia bureau chief for The New York Times. In recent months, Cave has explored how Australians have reacted to the country’s zero-tolerance Covid policies. He also wrote about his experience at a quarantine camp.

[hummingbird69]

35 minutes ago, Strider said:

When I want info on Australia, I will rely on actual Australians not Tucker Carlson or zero hedge et al.

‘A giant prison’

For those who haven’t been following the conversation on the right about Australia, Donald Trump’s recent entry into the chat might have been a little baffling.

On Friday, the former president put out a statement that included only this tweet, from the conservative columnist Scott Morefield: “I don’t think it’s far-fetched to say that if Donald Trump hadn’t won in 2016 and appointed three SCOTUS justices, the U.S. would literally be Australia right now.”

Coming just after the Supreme Court’s conservative majority blocked President Biden’s vaccine mandate for large businesses, the first half of Morefield’s tweet speaks for itself. But the second half, the context-free swipe at Australia, requires some explaining.

Over the past few months, Australia — Western-allied, democratic Australia — has become a byword among conservatives for an over-the-top approach to combating the coronavirus pandemic. The government there has used aggressive vaccine mandates, quarantines, border restrictions and lockdowns to keep Covid-19 deaths below 3,000 people in a country of 25 million, with some trade-offs in personal freedoms.

But the commentary on the American right has made Australia out to be some kind of authoritarian state:

In National Review, the flagship magazine of mainstream conservative thought, various headlines have read “When Will Someone Hold Human-Rights Hearings on Australia?,” “Australians Are Suffering from Excessive COVID Lockdowns,” and “When a Western Society Goes Insane.” A Sept. 9 article in The Federalist declared: “The once free and open Australian continent has effectively become a giant prison for its 26 million residents.” That same month, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida mused aloud: “Is Australia freer than China, communist China, right now? I don’t know. The fact that that’s even a question tells you something has gone dramatically off the rails with some of this stuff.”

On Sept. 30, Tucker Carlson, the Fox News host, devoted 12 minutes of his show to Australia, documenting its supposed slide into authoritarianism. “One moment the English-speaking world is mocking China for being dystopian and autocratic,” he warned. “The next moment they’re aping China and hunting people down who are two blocks from their homes and smoking a cigarette.” Two months later, Carlson referred to a quarantine facility in Darwin, Australia, as a “Covid concentration camp.” In October, Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, got into an exchange with the leader of Australia’s Northern Territory after tweeting, “I’ve always said Australia is the Texas of the Pacific. The Covid tyranny of their current government is disgraceful & sad. Individual liberty matters. I stand with the people of #Australia.” In November, Joe Rogan, mistaking satire for a real ad, posted on his Instagram account: “Not only has Australia had the worst reaction to the pandemic with dystopian, police-state measures that are truly inconceivable to the rest of the civilized world, but they also have the absolute dumbest propaganda.”

These concerns prompted Van Badham, an Australian journalist, to fire back in a guest opinion essay for The New York Times entitled: “No, Australia Is Not Actually an Evil Dictatorship.”

The comparisons died down for a while, but the recent standoff between Novak Djokovic and Australian tennis authorities over the Serbian star’s refusal to vaccinate has brought the topic raging back. Trump and DeSantis are also shadowboxing over their respective records on Covid, ahead of a possible clash in the 2024 Republican presidential primary, so the fact that both have mentioned Australia is especially interesting.

Our man in Sydney

But what’s really happening in Australia? To get some ground truth, we chatted with Damien Cave, the Australia bureau chief for The New York Times. In recent months, Cave has explored how Australians have reacted to the country’s zero-tolerance Covid policies. He also wrote about his experience at a quarantine camp.

How are things there in Australia? Can you tell us how the country is dealing with the pandemic right now?

Case numbers have reached new highs with an Omicron outbreak, hospitals in major cities are struggling to cope and most people are just trying to be careful and avoid being infected. Masks are mandatory indoors (nearly everyone complies without complaining) and the era of closed borders, between states and internationally, is also coming to an end. Essentially, there is both a mix of more movement and a fair amount of caution and continued anxiety.

We know there have been protests, particularly in Melbourne, the capital of the state of Victoria. How widespread is the feeling that the government’s Covid policies have gone too far?

There are certainly some Australians who have been frustrated by moments of heavy-handedness. At one point in Melbourne, Victorian state authorities closed outdoor playgrounds even though there was little risk there. That really angered a lot of parents. The border closures also really made a lot of people furious, especially Australians living overseas who were trying to get home.

But Australians are also extremely proud of how they’ve handled the pandemic. The country has had fewer deaths per capita than just about anywhere. And while the lockdowns were hard, there was a lot of government aid to help workers and businesses. Most Australians, in polls and in interviews I’ve done all over the country, will tell you that, despite the problems, it’s been worth it.

Are Australians aware of what conservative commentators in the United States are saying about them? What do they make of hearing that they’re living in a dystopian police state?

The Australians who are aware — including many conservatives — find that both odd and insulting. They tend to think it’s absurd for those conservatives to be attacking Australia’s policies from a country where 800,000 people have died from Covid, thanks in part, Australians argue, to America’s obsession with individualism and “freedom” rather than a respect for collective sacrifice.

So there are federal elections coming up this year, right? Are we going to see critics of the government running against incumbents on Covid?

There will be criticism of the government for going too slowly and not doing enough to get people what they need, with vaccines early on and with rapid antigen tests now. But generally, there’s a pretty broad consensus in Australia: What they’ve done since 2020 has mostly worked, and now it’s time to transition out of restrictions, carefully, while continuing to encourage vaccination.

A lot of the criticism from the American right feels outdated and out of touch. Australians are living their lives, kids are about to go back to school and the continued effort to be careful to keep people safe, with some space restrictions at major events and masks, is something they tend to shrug off as a bit irritating but necessary for the good of the country.

265 days of lockdowns, forced mandates, no tolerance policies, protests that got hairy I'd say the man is trying to lift his countries image just a tad.

[slave to zep]

3 hours ago, Strider said:

When I want info on Australia, I will rely on actual Australians not Tucker Carlson or zero hedge et al.

‘A giant prison’

For those who haven’t been following the conversation on the right about Australia, Donald Trump’s recent entry into the chat might have been a little baffling.

On Friday, the former president put out a statement that included only this tweet, from the conservative columnist Scott Morefield: “I don’t think it’s far-fetched to say that if Donald Trump hadn’t won in 2016 and appointed three SCOTUS justices, the U.S. would literally be Australia right now.”

Coming just after the Supreme Court’s conservative majority blocked President Biden’s vaccine mandate for large businesses, the first half of Morefield’s tweet speaks for itself. But the second half, the context-free swipe at Australia, requires some explaining.

Over the past few months, Australia — Western-allied, democratic Australia — has become a byword among conservatives for an over-the-top approach to combating the coronavirus pandemic. The government there has used aggressive vaccine mandates, quarantines, border restrictions and lockdowns to keep Covid-19 deaths below 3,000 people in a country of 25 million, with some trade-offs in personal freedoms.

But the commentary on the American right has made Australia out to be some kind of authoritarian state:

In National Review, the flagship magazine of mainstream conservative thought, various headlines have read “When Will Someone Hold Human-Rights Hearings on Australia?,” “Australians Are Suffering from Excessive COVID Lockdowns,” and “When a Western Society Goes Insane.” A Sept. 9 article in The Federalist declared: “The once free and open Australian continent has effectively become a giant prison for its 26 million residents.” That same month, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida mused aloud: “Is Australia freer than China, communist China, right now? I don’t know. The fact that that’s even a question tells you something has gone dramatically off the rails with some of this stuff.”

On Sept. 30, Tucker Carlson, the Fox News host, devoted 12 minutes of his show to Australia, documenting its supposed slide into authoritarianism. “One moment the English-speaking world is mocking China for being dystopian and autocratic,” he warned. “The next moment they’re aping China and hunting people down who are two blocks from their homes and smoking a cigarette.” Two months later, Carlson referred to a quarantine facility in Darwin, Australia, as a “Covid concentration camp.” In October, Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, got into an exchange with the leader of Australia’s Northern Territory after tweeting, “I’ve always said Australia is the Texas of the Pacific. The Covid tyranny of their current government is disgraceful & sad. Individual liberty matters. I stand with the people of #Australia.” In November, Joe Rogan, mistaking satire for a real ad, posted on his Instagram account: “Not only has Australia had the worst reaction to the pandemic with dystopian, police-state measures that are truly inconceivable to the rest of the civilized world, but they also have the absolute dumbest propaganda.”

These concerns prompted Van Badham, an Australian journalist, to fire back in a guest opinion essay for The New York Times entitled: “No, Australia Is Not Actually an Evil Dictatorship.”

The comparisons died down for a while, but the recent standoff between Novak Djokovic and Australian tennis authorities over the Serbian star’s refusal to vaccinate has brought the topic raging back. Trump and DeSantis are also shadowboxing over their respective records on Covid, ahead of a possible clash in the 2024 Republican presidential primary, so the fact that both have mentioned Australia is especially interesting.

Our man in Sydney

But what’s really happening in Australia? To get some ground truth, we chatted with Damien Cave, the Australia bureau chief for The New York Times. In recent months, Cave has explored how Australians have reacted to the country’s zero-tolerance Covid policies. He also wrote about his experience at a quarantine camp.

How are things there in Australia? Can you tell us how the country is dealing with the pandemic right now?

Case numbers have reached new highs with an Omicron outbreak, hospitals in major cities are struggling to cope and most people are just trying to be careful and avoid being infected. Masks are mandatory indoors (nearly everyone complies without complaining) and the era of closed borders, between states and internationally, is also coming to an end. Essentially, there is both a mix of more movement and a fair amount of caution and continued anxiety.

We know there have been protests, particularly in Melbourne, the capital of the state of Victoria. How widespread is the feeling that the government’s Covid policies have gone too far?

There are certainly some Australians who have been frustrated by moments of heavy-handedness. At one point in Melbourne, Victorian state authorities closed outdoor playgrounds even though there was little risk there. That really angered a lot of parents. The border closures also really made a lot of people furious, especially Australians living overseas who were trying to get home.

But Australians are also extremely proud of how they’ve handled the pandemic. The country has had fewer deaths per capita than just about anywhere. And while the lockdowns were hard, there was a lot of government aid to help workers and businesses. Most Australians, in polls and in interviews I’ve done all over the country, will tell you that, despite the problems, it’s been worth it.

Are Australians aware of what conservative commentators in the United States are saying about them? What do they make of hearing that they’re living in a dystopian police state?

The Australians who are aware — including many conservatives — find that both odd and insulting. They tend to think it’s absurd for those conservatives to be attacking Australia’s policies from a country where 800,000 people have died from Covid, thanks in part, Australians argue, to America’s obsession with individualism and “freedom” rather than a respect for collective sacrifice.

So there are federal elections coming up this year, right? Are we going to see critics of the government running against incumbents on Covid?

There will be criticism of the government for going too slowly and not doing enough to get people what they need, with vaccines early on and with rapid antigen tests now. But generally, there’s a pretty broad consensus in Australia: What they’ve done since 2020 has mostly worked, and now it’s time to transition out of restrictions, carefully, while continuing to encourage vaccination.

A lot of the criticism from the American right feels outdated and out of touch. Australians are living their lives, kids are about to go back to school and the continued effort to be careful to keep people safe, with some space restrictions at major events and masks, is something they tend to shrug off as a bit irritating but necessary for the good of the country.

Yeah........nah

[slave to zep]

The Victorian (very apt!) Premier,  Dan Andrews is an egotistical,  arrogant tyrant. 

Ditto for Western Australia, Queensland and  Northern Territory.

I'm in NSW,  and our current premier is only new to the job, his predecessor was chucked out. So far I think the current one is much better, not solely taking the word of the health minister and Chief health officer,  who are both idiots.

We've still got a long way to go for them to realise it's time to move on with life.

The actions of some police has been absolutely over the top and needs to stop.

I said some, not all.

 

[JohnOsbourne]

More political science:

"Bizarro World": Researcher Calls Out Censorship After Journal Pulls COVID-19 Vaccine Adverse Events Analysis | ZeroHedge

[chillumpuffer]

Not quick enough for Meatloaf. 

Edited January 21, 2022 by chillumpuffer

[custard pie man]

23 hours ago, Stryder1978 said:

....I actually listened to part of his presser yesterday when I turned on the tele.  He would pause in the middle of a sentence so long that I thought the TV feed was frozen because of our bad weather.  Not so, he just couldn't seem to put a complete sentence together without it being written down for him or on the teleprompter.  It was both embarrassing and frightening to watch!

And I wish one of his hand picked "reporters" at the briefing would have had the gnads to ask him about this staement":

Democratic White House hopeful Joe Biden said Thursday during his final debate with President Donald Trump that presiding over the nation as 220,000 Americans died from the coronavirus should disqualify Trump from reelection. "Anyone who's responsible for so many-covid 19-deaths should not be president."

So far, since Biden has been in office, 379,000 Americans have died of Covid.

isn't it something that the  leftist media all took down the death totals as soon as Biden got in

[hummingbird69]

19 minutes ago, custard pie man said:

isn't it something that the  leftist media all took down the death totals as soon as Biden got in

Well, after saying that orange man bad should be made to resign because of covid deaths how can they show that number anymore? 

[SteveAJones]

4 hours ago, custard pie man said:

isn't it something that the  leftist media all took down the death totals as soon as Biden got in

Biden is NEVER held responsible by them for anything COVID-19 related.

Note also the positive test parameters were purposefully changed by the CDC ON INAUGERATION DAY to drive down the rate of infections.  

This planned-demic is the biggest scam in the history of mankind.

 

[JohnOsbourne]

Fauci is of course despicable, but this guy Daszak (whose name keeps coming up in all of this) is every bit as creepy a scumbag:

Was Peter Daszak Working For The Central Intelligence Agency? (substack.com)

[Plant77]

On 1/20/2022 at 12:00 PM, hummingbird69 said:

Since you mentioned the presser

Joe Biden is the biggest idiot of the 20th century.

Yesterday he doubled down on all his debacles and claimed that he out preformed his campaign promises, inflation is caused by the supply chain and that after 20 years in Afghanistan  there is no easy way to withdraw and then to cap it off he starts talking smack about minor incursions into Ukraine.

I call bullshit on all of those statements.

This idiot put eleven thousand people out of work on day one and destroyed our energy independence in one fell swoop. That started inflation and took more money out of the pockets of people with doubled gas prices yet he says people have more money in their pockets!!

Then this idiot gets 13 American soldiers killed while conducting the worst military drawdown ever.

I could have done better

Here's how.

1. You make the actual decision to leave.

2. You inventory all personnel, military assets, weapons, vehicles and anyone who helped you.

3. You figure out how long it will take for everyone and thing to be moved out in a safe and orderly manner.

4. Then you tell the country when you'll be leaving, If the number crunchers tell you that it will take 6 months you tell them you need 2 years maybe more and then you leave in 6 to 7 months anyway.

5. You start handing out travel orders in a quiet manner. Once you get all Americans out you start bringing out anyone who helped you then the equipment and all that word covers.

6. You use Bagram Air Force Base instead of the local airport. This is a no brainer!!

7. you keep the military in country to till the operation is completed. Another no brainer

8. When all our stuff is out then and only then do you remove the military and you destroy the bases and anything else we have to leave behind on the way out instead of leaving them behind for the enemy to use against you.

I cant believe this guy is still trying to say there was no other way to do it and NOW he's also saying ONLY his plan can get the country right again.

 

Biden is a tool for the people controlling him, and those people are as incompetent as I am when it comes to what I know about trigonometry.

His presidency is a true dumpster fire.

Other than the Century thing, seems like you have it all worked out. 

[hummingbird69]

22 minutes ago, Plant77 said:

Other than the Century thing, seems like you have it all worked out. 

I could fix that I guess,  I typed that post a bunch of times before i posted it and I think It was supposed to say 'the biggest idiot since the 20th century', I.E. having to go back that far to find one bigger than biden but ended up putting of in there without even knowing it..

EDIT.

well I guess it's too late to go back and fix it now.

Edited January 22, 2022 by hummingbird69

[JohnOsbourne]

The narrative continues to crumble:

British Medical Journal Demands Immediate Release of All COVID-19 Vaccine, Treatment Data | ZeroHedge

[JohnOsbourne]

East Asia, Eurasia, and all that:

The truth, reduced to a few key and essential facts, is as follows:

• Covid-19 is, overall, not that deadly, and getting less deadly all the time.
• Most of those who die of Covid are already unwell, often extremely unwell.
• Most interventions to contain Covid, in particular lockdowns and ubiquitous masking, don’t work.
• Children are nearly immune to Covid and do very little to spread it.
• In terms of effect on America’s prosperity, stability, health, and mental well-being, the “cures” for Covid have been far more harmful than the disease itself.

For the past year, stating these facts could get a person banned from Facebook or shut down on YouTube and Twitter.

 

But now, abruptly, the Biden Administration and its mouthpieces are trying to make this the conventional wisdom. Sensing political calamity if it can’t get the country to move past Covid, what might be called the “West Wing” branch of progressivism desperately wants to adjust narratives and calm their base down, so that life (and the economy) can go back to normal.

 

As America Enters Year Three of COVID, The Biden Regime Struggles to Reprogram Its Pandemic-Crazed Base - Revolver

[JohnOsbourne]

You really can't make this shit up:

China’s threat to ‘punish’ Olympic athletes for free speech ‘very concerning’, Australia says | Winter Olympics | The Guardian

[hummingbird69]

56 minutes ago, JohnOsbourne said:

East Asia, Eurasia, and all that:

The truth, reduced to a few key and essential facts, is as follows:

• Covid-19 is, overall, not that deadly, and getting less deadly all the time.
• Most of those who die of Covid are already unwell, often extremely unwell.
• Most interventions to contain Covid, in particular lockdowns and ubiquitous masking, don’t work.
• Children are nearly immune to Covid and do very little to spread it.
• In terms of effect on America’s prosperity, stability, health, and mental well-being, the “cures” for Covid have been far more harmful than the disease itself.

For the past year, stating these facts could get a person banned from Facebook or shut down on YouTube and Twitter.

 

But now, abruptly, the Biden Administration and its mouthpieces are trying to make this the conventional wisdom. Sensing political calamity if it can’t get the country to move past Covid, what might be called the “West Wing” branch of progressivism desperately wants to adjust narratives and calm their base down, so that life (and the economy) can go back to normal.

 

As America Enters Year Three of COVID, The Biden Regime Struggles to Reprogram Its Pandemic-Crazed Base - Revolver

to be fair children are not immune to covid and they do spread it I know, the 6 year old came home from school with sniffles days after a classmate went home with covid, her sister got it a few days later i got a week later and so on. So children are not all that immune and can spread it.

[hummingbird69]

33 minutes ago, JohnOsbourne said:

You really can't make this shit up:

China’s threat to ‘punish’ Olympic athletes for free speech ‘very concerning’, Australia says | Winter Olympics | The Guardian

Don't worry China will still allow any athletes who want to smear America to do so.

[Plant77]

15 hours ago, hummingbird69 said:

I could fix that I guess,  I typed that post a bunch of times before i posted it and I think It was supposed to say 'the biggest idiot since the 20th century', I.E. having to go back that far to find one bigger than biden but ended up putting of in there without even knowing it..

EDIT.

well I guess it's too late to go back and fix it now.

Honestly, it was kind of troll behavior of me to write that. I apologize for that. You have serious convictions about your feelings. Whether I agree with them or not really doesn’t matter. Dialogue is always important to me. 
 

Having said that, I’m vaccinated and had a booster, and I also just got over having Covid. After not having had it since it began. I was kind of disappointed in my blood/immune system. I had it run through my shop on a couple different occasions, and had not gotten sick. The crazy thing was this, my mother-in-law is an organic chemist PHD, as well as being a Nurse for drug and alcohol rehabilitation facilities and was able to get us some home test kits because of her job. I tested negative twice while I was feeling like shit, then got a positive test back on the 3rd one. My wife who had pretty much all the same symptoms never tested positive in her two tests. 
 

There is no doubt that it does affect others differently. But at this point I have some serious Covid fatigue and really I’m just at the point of not wanting to hear about all the different variants anymore. We have to just start looking at this as a sickness, like we have looked at all the other sicknesses which we do not have cures for. Again, this is just my opinion, not saying I’m right. 
 

On a side note, I had some really weird side effects from it. I’ve been a gym rat my whole life. Taken many supplements, and the tail end of having Covid I never had more energy, and I felt insanely strong, almost like I had taken a steroid. 
I have not ever taken them, but what I imagine they feel like. I have an employee who said that they basically  had the same effects. Massive energy after the initial fatigue, and headaches. I did have some creepy feelings in my spine. Some crazy dull aching pains. That was probably the worst of it. 

Cheers everyone, stay safe and healthy. 

[hummingbird69]

15 minutes ago, Plant77 said:

Honestly, it was kind of troll behavior of me to write that. I apologize for that. You have serious convictions about your feelings. Whether I agree with them or not really doesn’t matter. Dialogue is always important to me. 
 

Having said that, I’m vaccinated and had a booster, and I also just got over having Covid. After not having had it since it began. I was kind of disappointed in my blood/immune system. I had it run through my shop on a couple different occasions, and had not gotten sick. The crazy thing was this, my mother-in-law is an organic chemist PHD, as well as being a Nurse for drug and alcohol rehabilitation facilities and was able to get us some home test kits because of her job. I tested negative twice while I was feeling like shit, then got a positive test back on the 3rd one. My wife who had pretty much all the same symptoms never tested positive in her two tests. 
 

There is no doubt that it does affect others differently. But at this point I have some serious Covid fatigue and really I’m just at the point of not wanting to hear about all the different variants anymore. We have to just start looking at this as a sickness, like we have looked at all the other sicknesses which we do not have cures for. Again, this is just my opinion, not saying I’m right. 
 

On a side note, I had some really weird side effects from it. I’ve been a gym rat my whole life. Taken many supplements, and the tail end of having Covid I never had more energy, and I felt insanely strong, almost like I had taken a steroid. 
I have not ever taken them, but what I imagine they feel like. I have an employee who said that they basically  had the same effects. Massive energy after the initial fatigue, and headaches. I did have some creepy feelings in my spine. Some crazy dull aching pains. That was probably the worst of it. 

Cheers everyone, stay safe and healthy. 

Ha Ha!!  I thought you were being a passive D!ck! It's cool though.

If you think what I posted is wrong or misinformed so be it. You can research all of it for yourself and decide for yourself but aside from that I am with you.

I am sick to death of covid.  I and all of my family got covid a couple weeks before Christmas, some of us are vaxed and some were not but we all got over it no problem. My parents are in their 80s, dad vaxed and on chemo, mom not vaxed both doing fine. I think most of it is a control grab using covid as the excuse. 

 

[Plant77]

13 minutes ago, hummingbird69 said:

Ha Ha!!  I thought you were being a passive D!ck! It's cool though.

If you think what I posted is wrong or misinformed so be it. You can research all of it for yourself and decide for yourself but aside from that I am with you.

I am sick to death of covid.  I and all of my family got covid a couple weeks before Christmas, some of us are vaxed and some were not but we all got over it no problem. My parents are in their 80s, dad vaxed and on chemo, mom not vaxed both doing fine. I think most of it is a control grab using covid as the excuse. 

 

Naw, I was straight up being a passive Jack ass with the first comment. The reply was to just be straight and admit it.
 

I agree with some of what you said for sure. But that’s my point, just being able to have a back and forth is something that I feel is being lost. I don’t think that you are wrong and I am right. That’s kind of what I’m saying, getting others perspective is important to me. I have changed my mind on plenty of feelings and thoughts I’ve had through the years. Shit I hope that is considered growth as a human. 

 

And glad to hear your pops was able to muscle through it while undergoing chemo. He is a tuff dude for sure. Hopefully he can beat that and continue to be around. I lost my pops at the young age 56 from cancer, to go through that on its own is tough, to go through it with that and come out is awesome. 
 

Have a great weekend. 

[hummingbird69]

1 hour ago, Plant77 said:

Naw, I was straight up being a passive Jack ass with the first comment. The reply was to just be straight and admit it.
 

I agree with some of what you said for sure. But that’s my point, just being able to have a back and forth is something that I feel is being lost. I don’t think that you are wrong and I am right. That’s kind of what I’m saying, getting others perspective is important to me. I have changed my mind on plenty of feelings and thoughts I’ve had through the years. Shit I hope that is considered growth as a human. 

 

And glad to hear your pops was able to muscle through it while undergoing chemo. He is a tuff dude for sure. Hopefully he can beat that and continue to be around. I lost my pops at the young age 56 from cancer, to go through that on its own is tough, to go through it with that and come out is awesome. 
 

Have a great weekend. 

No worries brother.

My dad is a tough ole dog, he's beaten his cancer back 8 times in the last 25 years. Seems like it comes back every three years.  Like you,  I am so sick of death,  Last year four friends died (none from covid) and they were all in their mid 50's. I am 55 and when your friends of the same age start dying it really messes with your brain. Like damn, I could really be next!

 

[JohnOsbourne]

6 hours ago, hummingbird69 said:

Don't worry China will still allow any athletes who want to smear America to do so.

I suppose they might, but the point is, the various western governments are really in no position to lecture China or anyone else on repression, e.g.:

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