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The lie is that Putin invaded 8 years ago. We backed a coup and a pre-emptive civil war against the half of Ukraine that voted for Yanukovych 8 years ago, and Putin did very little other than covertly support the half of the country that was pro-Russian and under attack by Yatsenyuk and the other un-elected coup leaders.

What you are about to see now is the Russian reaction to that coup and civil war, and Ukraine will fall within days. Only 14% of Russians blame Russia for the conflict in Ukraine. You can bet it is even less of the Russian military. The Crimeans did overwhelmingly vote to join Russia, to escape the invading army of the coup leaders, which otherwise would have done to them what it did to the Donbas. Russia never used a single cruise missile, they never fired from a single Russian naval vessel, no Russian aircraft were used, the S-400 was not deployed against Ukrainian aircraft, not even while they were dropping aircraft bombs on their own people in eastern Ukraine, for the supposed crime of rejecting the coup against the leader they elected. This time, every bit of that will be used, along with far more and better tanks than the Ukrainian military has, much longer range, faster firing and more precise artillery, and an enormous volume of that, hypersonic air-launch precision guided missile that can hit Kiev from Belarusian aircraft within 30 seconds, etc., etc. It will be a crushing defeat for Ukraine, which will come in days.

All Zelensky had to do was grant autonomy to eastern Ukraine, stop the 8-year-old, unjustified civil war, and abide by the other terms which he agreed to, and this war could easily have been avoided. He did the opposite, largely because the Biden Administration and NATO gave Zelensky the impression that they had their backs, when in reality, that was never going to happen, and they do not have a chance, and it is their own fault. Nor should a single American fight or die to help western Ukraine prop up its coup and civil war. US should have told him to accept autonomy, make peace with his fellow countrymen, and stop antagonizing Russia. The failure to do that is the primary reason why this war is now virtually inevitable.

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On 2/18/2022 at 6:37 PM, SteveAJones said:

The lie is that Putin invaded 8 years ago. We backed a coup and a pre-emptive civil war against the half of Ukraine that voted for Yanukovych 8 years ago, and Putin did very little other than covertly support the half of the country that was pro-Russian and under attack by Yatsenyuk and the other un-elected coup leaders.

What you are about to see now is the Russian reaction to that coup and civil war, and Ukraine will fall within days. Only 14% of Russians blame Russia for the conflict in Ukraine. You can bet it is even less of the Russian military. The Crimeans did overwhelmingly vote to join Russia, to escape the invading army of the coup leaders, which otherwise would have done to them what it did to the Donbas. Russia never used a single cruise missile, they never fired from a single Russian naval vessel, no Russian aircraft were used, the S-400 was not deployed against Ukrainian aircraft, not even while they were dropping aircraft bombs on their own people in eastern Ukraine, for the supposed crime of rejecting the coup against the leader they elected. This time, every bit of that will be used, along with far more and better tanks than the Ukrainian military has, much longer range, faster firing and more precise artillery, and an enormous volume of that, hypersonic air-launch precision guided missile that can hit Kiev from Belarusian aircraft within 30 seconds, etc., etc. It will be a crushing defeat for Ukraine, which will come in days.

All Zelensky had to do was grant autonomy to eastern Ukraine, stop the 8-year-old, unjustified civil war, and abide by the other terms which he agreed to, and this war could easily have been avoided. He did the opposite, largely because the Biden Administration and NATO gave Zelensky the impression that they had their backs, when in reality, that was never going to happen, and they do not have a chance, and it is their own fault. Nor should a single American fight or die to help western Ukraine prop up its coup and civil war. US should have told him to accept autonomy, make peace with his fellow countrymen, and stop antagonizing Russia. The failure to do that is the primary reason why this war is now virtually inevitable.

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You say that the Crimean's voted overwhelmingly to join the Russian Federation . There was a referendum . The vote was massively in favour as you say . What you dont say is that at the time the vote was held Crimea was occupied by Russian forces . Subsequently the United Nations declared the vote invalid . Only interested in seeing all relevant facts stated . 

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On 2/18/2022 at 5:43 PM, redrum said:

Why is it that when the microwave shuts off the coffee cup handle is always on the inside? What a pisser. 

I have noticed that always happens when I heat my water up for tea at work.

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3 hours ago, Strider said:

I have noticed that always happens when I heat my water up for tea at work.

🤔 Ratio of plate rotation to reheat setting? 

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8 hours ago, Strider said:

I have noticed that always happens when I heat my water up for tea at work.

Like Young Frankenstein: Put the handle in the back! 😄

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10 hours ago, chillumpuffer said:

Not sure to be honest Red. Peace keeping is the word Vlad uses. 

Won't be the last time they invade a country. 

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55 minutes ago, Walter said:

Exactly. Again. 

Yep, Russia is already feeling the impact of Putin's stupidity. Their stock market has lost over 20% today, the ruble has plummeted, and Russian citizens are starting to speak out against Putin & the war due to both the economic impact and the fear of Russian boys coming back in boxes. 

Best case scenario for Russia is they take all of Ukraine, and then wind up bankrupt and isolated as a result. This is one gambit Putin will fail, one way or the other. I suspect if the economic conditions continue to worsen, Putin will not have to worry about Ukraine or the West as those who keep him in power (the oligarchs) will deal with him in their own way.

Putin's power is not absolute, no one's power is, even Ghingis Khan had to keep his warlords happy to prevent his own demise. Putin's power is in the support he gets from the oligarchs. If the oligarchs start to feel the squeeze, Putin will have some splanin' to do.

I really don't understand his play here as what he has to gain under the best case scenario is pretty much very little compared to what he has to lose. We live in a globalist economy and Putin is gonna learn that lesson the hard way. On top of that, he completely threw the Chinese under the bus as he just reneged on their agreed upon deal. Not that a war between Russia and China would likely happen, but if it did, China would annihilate Russia in a conventional war.

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11 hours ago, cryingbluerain said:

Yeah, that's Vlad laughing his butt off at our weak, inept potus.

Or maybe that is Vlad laughing at all of the right wing support he has suddenly won. Man, I think of the party of Regan, or Bush and his son, and then the all of the sudden a group of people are in favor of a viscous dictator who rules with an Iron Fist! And is tough. When did the right start defending Russia and its leader?
 

I am all for a history lesson, just not reinventing history to somehow believe that Putin is a fun loving, good dude who wants the best for all. It is sort of funny, we had this administration that was never critical, perhaps even favorable to Putin and his cronies, and then all of the sudden it is blamed on another administration failing, and looking weak. 
 

I may be way off. It just doesn’t add up to what I have read over the last decade. What is sort of shocking is what percentage of the GOP would want a president for life. Sort of like Putin. That is strange to say the least. 

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13 minutes ago, Plant77 said:

Or maybe that is Vlad laughing at all of the right wing support he has suddenly won. Man, I think of the party of Regan, or Bush and his son, and then the all of the sudden a group of people are in favor of a viscous dictator who rules with an Iron Fist! And is tough. When did the right start defending Russia and its leader?
 

I am all for a history lesson, just not reinventing history to somehow believe that Putin is a fun loving, good dude who wants the best for all. It is sort of funny, we had this administration that was never critical, perhaps even favorable to Putin and his cronies, and then all of the sudden it is blamed on another administration failing, and looking weak. 
 

I may be way off. It just doesn’t add up to what I have read over the last decade. What is sort of shocking is what percentage of the GOP would want a president for life. Sort of like Putin. That is strange to say the least. 

Defending him?  If anything it's the current admin that has made him stronger by stifling our domestic energy production that has helped boost energy prices and made him richer.  You know this mess wouldn't be happening with the big bad orange dude still in office but keep the spin going because that's all you've got.

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7 hours ago, BobDobbs said:

Yep, Russia is already feeling the impact of Putin's stupidity. Their stock market has lost over 20% today, the ruble has plummeted, and Russian citizens are starting to speak out against Putin & the war due to both the economic impact and the fear of Russian boys coming back in boxes. 

Best case scenario for Russia is they take all of Ukraine, and then wind up bankrupt and isolated as a result. This is one gambit Putin will fail, one way or the other. I suspect if the economic conditions continue to worsen, Putin will not have to worry about Ukraine or the West as those who keep him in power (the oligarchs) will deal with him in their own way.

Putin's power is not absolute, no one's power is, even Ghingis Khan had to keep his warlords happy to prevent his own demise. Putin's power is in the support he gets from the oligarchs. If the oligarchs start to feel the squeeze, Putin will have some splanin' to do.

I really don't understand his play here as what he has to gain under the best case scenario is pretty much very little compared to what he has to lose. We live in a globalist economy and Putin is gonna learn that lesson the hard way. On top of that, he completely threw the Chinese under the bus as he just reneged on their agreed upon deal. Not that a war between Russia and China would likely happen, but if it did, China would annihilate Russia in a conventional war.

Markets always react negatively to uncertainty. However, this will be wrapped up in a matter of weeks at which time it will be business as usual. He's doing this to prevent Ukraine from becoming a member of NATO as Russia needs Ukraine to continue to serve as geographical buffer zone to the South. He's taking it and there ain't a damn thing Sleepy Joe and his crime family can do about it. 

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If you're a lonely fat girl on a Saturday night just call an Uber. It seems the odds are in your favor that you'll wake up in your sister's driveway with your skirt over your head. Who's vetting all these criminal Uber drivers anyway, Biden's immigration officials? 

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1 hour ago, SteveAJones said:

If you're a lonely fat girl on a Saturday night just call an Uber. It seems the odds are in your favor that you'll wake up in your sister's driveway with your skirt over your head. Who's vetting all these criminal Uber drivers anyway, Biden's immigration officials? 

UBER translated actually means: SCREW HER. 

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10 hours ago, cryingbluerain said:

Defending him?  If anything it's the current admin that has made him stronger by stifling our domestic energy production that has helped boost energy prices and made him richer.  You know this mess wouldn't be happening with the big bad orange dude still in office but keep the spin going because that's all you've got.

The guy that can’t even get a website off the ground without it crashing and burning in spectacular fashion? Yeah sure. Where are the transcripts from his 5 private meetings? Did he eat those too? Putin didn’t have to do anything those 4 years because he got everything he wanted done FOR him, without firing a single bullet. Big orange is the biggest traitor in US history and his cult are shoulder to shoulder with him. You included, based on your enthusiastic support for him. 

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