JohnOsbourne Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Well, that escalated quickly: Austria Re-Imposes Full Lockdown, Vow "Penalties" For Those Who Resist | ZeroHedge Didn't they just lock down the un-vaxxed two days ago, now it's everyone. The optics of Austria, Germany, and Italy locking down their populations is too humorous. Japan might as well get in the act, LOL, make it an ex-Axis covid party. Axis of public health fascism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnOsbourne Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Busted (yet again): CBC Called Out For Using Mannequins In Hospital Beds For October Story About How ICUs Work | ZeroHedge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZeppfan1977 Posted November 20, 2021 Author Share Posted November 20, 2021 On 11/18/2021 at 12:07 PM, BobDobbs said: and this is the problem. The taxes on the middle-class either go up or stay relatively the same while corporate taxes and taxes on the wealthy keep going down. It's not rocket science. You can only pay out what you take in so what always gets cut are programs designed to help the average American. College educations used to be affordable, then the states started contributing less & less to the universities so now tuition is outrageous. Health Care used to be affordable, insurance companies covered just about everything and deductibles (that is if you had any) were very low, not anymore. Everything is going through the roof as a direct result of the 2017 tax cuts plus the supply chain issues as a result of Just in Time manufacturing protocols. Of course we also have the typical, "never let a tragedy go unexploited" corporate mentality so everyone is raising prices because, well, because they can and its that simple. The very fact any life saving drug costs anyone a single dime is a crime against humanity IMO, especially as the American taxpayer funds over 95% of all drug research costs while the drug companies then get to benefit off of our blood. I would say at least the COVID vaccine is free but it ain't, the govt. is paying the drug companies bigtime for those vaccines, vaccines which were developed with American tax dollars. So the fact is, we paid for those too. Very well stated and you are correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie29 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 I wonder if Zerosense reported this? I seriously doubt it. Unless it's doom and gloom and distorted facts or fake news they won't have a bar of any positivity. Such a sad lot of human beings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnOsbourne Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Reggie29 said: I wonder if Zerosense reported this? I seriously doubt it. Unless it's doom and gloom and distorted facts or fake news they won't have a bar of any positivity. Such a sad lot of human beings. Good for him. How is this relevant to the heavy-handed measures the various states and territories are taking? ZH (and I) have noted (and supported) protests in Australia against such measures. Good to see that the PM is finally getting on board, a pity he didn't speak up earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bong-Man Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Why go back 70 years to a politician/General ? This is far more relevent to what's happening today..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1975NQ Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 38 minutes ago, Bong-Man said: Why go back 70 years to a politician/General ? This is far more relevent to what's happening today..... I threw up that post as a reminder of another time when some politicians actually did say things that were not self-serving. A lot of current social issues and tribalism around our current predicament can be traced to lack of trust in government and media. This wasn't always the case (not saying that media and gov were pristine lol, they certainly weren't). I just thought much of what he said in that speech 70 years ago was incredibly prescient. It was also the time of the polio vaccine which is so different than the vaccine for covid in many ways. So I was also hinting at that by putting up Eisenhower's speech. The idea being it might get people to look at things happening today from another angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1975NQ Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 I don't have time to listen to the Carl Sagan interview right now, but I'll check it out later! I might have even seen that one back in the day, I used to watch Charlie Rose all the time 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1975NQ Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 For anyone interested, there's a funny skit from SNL last week called "Man Park". I only mention it here because my gf told me about it, and this morning I was telling her how I somehow found myself posting on this thread (not something I imagined myself doing a month ago). And I said "well babe, I think I found the Man Park". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bong-Man Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, 1975NQ said: For anyone interested, there's a funny skit from SNL last week called "Man Park". I only mention it here because my gf told me about it, and this morning I was telling her how I somehow found myself posting on this thread (not something I imagined myself doing a month ago). And I said "well babe, I think I found the Man Park". Lol....We can agree on that. It's good to see Electrophile back and contributing. Been a bit of a sausage fest around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1975NQ Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Bong-Man said: Lol....We can agree on that. It's good to see Electrophile back and contributing. Been a bit of a sausage fest around here. Haha yeah that was the vibe I was getting on here. And we probably agree on more than you think. I'm not hardcore in one camp or another regarding vaccines. I'm actually vaccinated myself. I just am concerned with government overstepping as that can set a dangerous precedent, Slippery slopes and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1975NQ Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 16 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said: This was one of the great speeches in American political history (low bar, ok, but), no doubt. Yeah, I think so too. Call me crazy, but I actually like Carter's malaise speech as well 😂 He may not have been the most effective president (couldn't play nice with the folks on the other side of the aisle), but I think he was one of the most decent men to sit in that chair. He famously got hammered by the media for the speech, poor guy; He was just truth-telling which in politics seldom gets you very far. Anyway, this has nothing to do with covid or the vaccine just a quick detour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDobbs Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, 1975NQ said: Yeah, I think so too. Call me crazy, but I actually like Carter's malaise speech as well 😂 He may not have been the most effective president (couldn't play nice with the folks on the other side of the aisle), but I think he was one of the most decent men to sit in that chair. He famously got hammered by the media for the speech, poor guy; He was just truth-telling which in politics seldom gets you very far. Anyway, this has nothing to do with covid or the vaccine just a quick detour. Exactly. Carter was the only President not to engage in a war or military action against another nation while in office (the Iran Hostage botched rescue not included). Think on that for a minute. Only one President since 1789 has kept us out of military action, just one. Carter's malaise speech was 100% truth, 100% spot on and the American people hated it. How dare ANYONE expect American citizens to actually be responsible and accountable! Damn that man!!! Just compare to what Carter has done post-Presidency vs. literally every other former President. Actions speak louder than words and a 97 year old man and his wife building houses for the poor with their own hands speaks volumes. Unlike all the other past Presidents who are doing exactly nothing to help the poor and / or disenfranchised. With great power comes great responsibility, a few understand that, most just take the money and run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1975NQ Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, BobDobbs said: Exactly. Carter was the only President not to engage in a war or military action against another nation while in office (the Iran Hostage botched rescue not included). Think on that for a minute. Only one President since 1789 has kept us out of military action, just one. Carter's malaise speech was 100% truth, 100% spot on and the American people hated it. How dare ANYONE expect American citizens to actually be responsible and accountable! Damn that man!!! Just compare to what Carter has done post-Presidency vs. literally every other former President. Actions speak louder than words and a 97 year old man and his wife building houses for the poor with their own hands speaks volumes. Unlike all the other past Presidents who are doing exactly nothing to help the poor and / or disenfranchised. With great power comes great responsibility, a few understand that, most just take the money and run. That's an interesting statistic about the wars, I had no idea about that. Very telling. Yeah, it's sad and fascinating about human nature .. we really don't like hearing truth because then that would involve self reflection and holding ourselves accountable, exactly. I think every leader we've had has absolutely understood the responsibility aspect of their position. Unfortunately, most have ignored it and absconded with the money/power/fill in the blank just like you said.. When I was a kid, Spider-Man was my favorite super hero. I actually thought Stan Lee came up with that quote for a long time 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryingbluerain Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 17 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said: Well, that escalated quickly: Austria Re-Imposes Full Lockdown, Vow "Penalties" For Those Who Resist | ZeroHedge Didn't they just lock down the un-vaxxed two days ago, now it's everyone. The optics of Austria, Germany, and Italy locking down their populations is too humorous. Japan might as well get in the act, LOL, make it an ex-Axis covid party. Axis of public health fascism? Fitting that the little corporal was born in Austria. Austria: Unvaccinated Could Face Prison As Govt Announces Mandate (breitbart.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDobbs Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 3 hours ago, cryingbluerain said: Fitting that the little corporal was born in Austria. Austria: Unvaccinated Could Face Prison As Govt Announces Mandate (breitbart.com) Actually surprised Austria is doing this as they are a coalition government with the President a Green Party Member and the Chancellor the head of the Peoples Party. The Peoples Party is a Christian conservative, anti-socialist party and Austria has seen a resurgence of fascist / Nazi groups over the past 10 years. They are not a liberal country as the OVP holds the majority of minster positions and both Chancellery ministers are OVP, instead they are very conservative. I guess it's getting bad when even the semi-fascists go full lockdown. However, with the situation of Belarus shipping refugees to the Polish border and the chaos that is causing, maybe they are being proactive with the likelihood of a bunch of un-vaccinated refugees trying to get into Austria? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 On 11/20/2021 at 4:01 AM, BobDobbs said: You know Ike would immediately purge the republican party of all the crazies, then tell everyone to grow the hell up and stop acting like children from Lord of the Flies. As if the other side is even remotely sane. On 11/20/2021 at 5:00 AM, Electrophile said: Am I annoyed at having to still wear a mask in public, over a year and a half later? Sure, but it is what it is. If a surgeon can wear one for a 10-hour procedure and not pass out, I think I can wear one to walk around the grocery store. OMG look what the cat dragged in. Liz, I know you must have missed me here so much. The thing about the surgeon's mask is it actually makes a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 5 hours ago, BobDobbs said: Exactly. Carter was the only President not to engage in a war or military action against another nation while in office (the Iran Hostage botched rescue not included). Think on that for a minute. Ok, I've thought about it. Firstly, you're saying the one thing he did attempt he failed at doing. Secondly, unless like most Leftist pillow-biters you have deep and abiding sympathy for Iranian Generals that kill American soldiers, President Donald J. Trump did not engage in a war or unjust military action against another nation while in office either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 5 hours ago, BobDobbs said: Actions speak louder than words and a 97 year old man and his wife building houses for the poor with their own hands speaks volumes. Unlike all the other past Presidents who are doing exactly nothing to help the poor and / or disenfranchised. Insufferable virtue signaling. Who are you to decide what any 97 year old should do with their time, and how do you know? You don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDobbs Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 (edited) On 11/20/2021 at 4:26 PM, SteveAJones said: Ok, I've thought about it. Firstly, you're saying the one thing he did attempt he failed at doing. Secondly, unless like most Leftist pillow-biters you have deep and abiding sympathy for Iranian Generals that kill American soldiers, President Donald J. Trump did not engage in a war or unjust military action against another nation while in office either. Edited November 21, 2021 by BobDobbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnOsbourne Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Looks like Australia is getting back to (the new) normal: Australian Army Begins Transferring COVID-Positive Cases, Contacts To Quarantine Camps | ZeroHedge 9 new cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 (edited) How Deep Chinese Influence Pushed Australia Into Astonishing Covid Tyranny A compromised political elite is responding to a virus likely juiced up in a Chinese bioweapons lab by adopting scientifically unprecedented, Communist-style social controls. How Chinese Influence Pushed Australia Into Astonishing Covid Tyranny (thefederalist.com) Edited November 22, 2021 by SteveAJones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDobbs Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 28 minutes ago, SteveAJones said: How Deep Chinese Influence Pushed Australia Into Astonishing Covid Tyranny A compromised political elite is responding to a virus likely juiced up in a Chinese bioweapons lab by adopting scientifically unprecedented, Communist-style social controls. How Chinese Influence Pushed Australia Into Astonishing Covid Tyranny (thefederalist.com) Blah, blah, blah, more nonsense from a nonsensical source. Give it up will ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rm2551 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 10 hours ago, SteveAJones said: How Deep Chinese Influence Pushed Australia Into Astonishing Covid Tyranny A compromised political elite is responding to a virus likely juiced up in a Chinese bioweapons lab by adopting scientifically unprecedented, Communist-style social controls. How Chinese Influence Pushed Australia Into Astonishing Covid Tyranny (thefederalist.com) We are doing ok here Steve. Some of the states are a bit overzealous in their policies for sure, but by in large, most governments enjoy majority support (although even some die hard Labor supporters I know in VIC are pissed off with Daniel Andrews for SOME of what he is doing) and they will be changed within 3 years if deemed by the majority to be insufficient to the alternative. We are lucky in AU that both majors pretty much stick to near the middle. We don't really have a society that craves hard left or hard right political direction save for the well recognised fringes. Compulsory voting takes away the appeal of small but loud voices on the fringe to get traction. Not entirely, but it is effectively muted. I don't like the idea of Vaccine passports - and at some point the risk has to be passed back to the individual - but for all the over reach and not perfect policies, we remain far from communism. That sensationalist bullshit still makes me smile for what it is actually like living here. I believe you live in Japan? I'd be interested on your perspective of how that country is handling Covid as I have not looked into it. AFAIK The Japanese culture is significantly more empathetic and respectful of the elderly than the west generally is (some exceptions). I imagine that would be a focus of the Government there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnOsbourne Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Even the MSM is asking questions about this: "Wait, What?" Even Reuters Tripping Out On 55-Year Delay To Release Pfizer Vax Data | ZeroHedge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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