lololabrute Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Does anyone have any sort of hint of news as to what could possibly be left out there that we have yet to hear? Have we hit the ceiling of all possible soundboard recordings available out there in the world? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADK-Zeppy Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 A number of Zeppelin followers think that Page has stored up lots of material that might (or might not) see the light of day at some point in time; but yet to be determined. It would be wonderful if Page and an interviewer familiar with recording techniques during Zeppelin's recording era, sat down and documented what equipment and techniques were in vogue at the time of recording Led Zeppelin classic creations. I'm aware that it would be a long reach back into Page's memory, but bringing in Jones to work on a project may yield some surprises. ADK-Zeppy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDobbs Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 I believe it is Plant which is preventing the release of Zep live material, at least that's what I heard. Either Plant does not want to compete with his former self, or, as what he has said in interviews, he is embarrassed by his "histrionics" as he called it during his Zeppelin years. I love Plant but he fancies himself more a crooner these days. If I am wrong please let me know but this is what I had heard from several other sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zep Hed Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Bath 1970. Near as I can tell here is where this stands. Dave Lewis questioned a Professor Chibnall in 2017 about the status of the Peter Whitehead film. "There’s 20 to 30 minutes and a lot of it is backstage. I’ve only seen the footage, I haven’t seen it with sound...when Led Zeppelin played, they played in the dark and there was insufficient stage lighting for (Whitehead's) cameras. So he reckoned that the footage, the live footage, was not usable. It is usable because, I mean, it can be, it can be restored now. So you can raise those lighting levels, you can see more digitally...I think it would be a really good project for 2020." Yes, he said 2020. Seems a ripe journalistic endeavor to follow up with Chibnall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitfire Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Regarding soundboard recordings - when Bloomington tape was revealed, the person who had it, also claimed that they have three LA 77 soundboards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZ98 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 5 hours ago, lololabrute said: Have we hit the ceiling of all possible soundboard recordings available out there in the world? Blackmikito over at RO did an amazing job researching Zep soundboards and figuring out what shows were recorded. The TLDR is that it's likely that there are soundboards for every show from 1971 on. However, that doesn't mean we'll get to hear most of them as the band, if they even still have them, don't seem interested in releasing them officially. My guess is that Empress Valley will continue to trickle out one a year, and who knows if those will be for shows for which there's no corresponding audience recording. I think the best hope we have for hearing new shows is if the Dogs of Doom track down audience recordings that haven't previously circulated. https://www.royal-orleans.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=46925 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1975NQ Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, SteveZ98 said: Blackmikito over at RO did an amazing job researching Zep soundboards and figuring out what shows were recorded. The TLDR is that it's likely that there are soundboards for every show from 1971 on. However, that doesn't mean we'll get to hear most of them as the band, if they even still have them, don't seem interested in releasing them officially. My guess is that Empress Valley will continue to trickle out one a year, and who knows if those will be for shows for which there's no corresponding audience recording. I think the best hope we have for hearing new shows is if the Dogs of Doom track down audience recordings that haven't previously circulated. https://www.royal-orleans.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=46925 Thanks for posting this. That was an incredible read, he did indeed do an amazing job. I noticed from the link that there was no mention of the 71 UK Fall Tour being recorded, but maybe that was an oversight? At any rate, even having one a year come out from EV is a treat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rm2551 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, BobDobbs said: I believe it is Plant which is preventing the release of Zep live material, at least that's what I heard. Either Plant does not want to compete with his former self, or, as what he has said in interviews, he is embarrassed by his "histrionics" as he called it during his Zeppelin years. I love Plant but he fancies himself more a crooner these days. If I am wrong please let me know but this is what I had heard from several other sources. I've read here and elsewhere the same thing. We can only hope Percy no longer gives a shit and the next time Page thinks about doing something he has the green light in that respect. I really hope Jimmy keeps getting the spark to consider more live releases. He has the Japan multi-track as I understand it. Bath is rumoured to be recorded, and some of the '75 soundboards are as good as it gets "unofficial quality" wise (Seattle, many others) which he could definitely work with. I noted in every interview when he was flogging the re-releases/companions, he was questioned about "what was left in the archives" he always answered studio material was done. Nothing really left. He always seemed to subtly quantify studio material - which was never picked up on or challenged by interviewers. I always thought this was careful, and he must have live stuff. The only other thing was the time a few of the Zep boys jammed with a few of the Black Sabbath lads. Apparently that was taped as they were in the studio. Someone must have it... Edited December 1, 2021 by rm2551 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillumpuffer Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 I would be very surprised that Bath wasn't multi tracked. If Peter Grant asked Peter Whitehead to film the band, then it makes sense that the set would have been recorded to accompany the visuals. That's my understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTM Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 15 hours ago, Zep Hed said: Bath 1970. Near as I can tell here is where this stands. Dave Lewis questioned a Professor Chibnall in 2017 about the status of the Peter Whitehead film. "There’s 20 to 30 minutes and a lot of it is backstage. I’ve only seen the footage, I haven’t seen it with sound...when Led Zeppelin played, they played in the dark and there was insufficient stage lighting for (Whitehead's) cameras. So he reckoned that the footage, the live footage, was not usable. It is usable because, I mean, it can be, it can be restored now. So you can raise those lighting levels, you can see more digitally...I think it would be a really good project for 2020." Yes, he said 2020. Seems a ripe journalistic endeavor to follow up with Chibnall. My "Pace" poster of the band on stage at Bath that I had on my bedroom wall showed daylight through the back curtain, probably a plc taken early in the set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddiel Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 23 hours ago, BobDobbs said: I believe it is Plant which is preventing the release of Zep live material, at least that's what I heard. Either Plant does not want to compete with his former self, or, as what he has said in interviews, he is embarrassed by his "histrionics" as he called it during his Zeppelin years. I love Plant but he fancies himself more a crooner these days. If I am wrong please let me know but this is what I had heard from several other sources. There hasn't been a conversation had since the 80's where live releases and Plants feeling towards them haven't been discussed. How he felt about them at one point in time is pretty much out there and not really a secret or an inside thing anymore. However, I don't think he has much issue with these now (he said yes already didn't he?) other then he probably doesn't care about them much and would rather prioritise projects he does care about over those that he doesn't. So although, IMO, a flat out "no" isn't happening, he's also not clearing his schedule to deal with it, if he has to, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xolo1974 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Well for a start, they have the rest of the 29/9/71 soundboard as the teaser of Twist and Shout was released. I was hoping it would come out this year, but it will probably be next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tainted cheese Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Xolo1974 said: Well for a start, they have the rest of the 29/9/71 soundboard as the teaser of Twist and Shout was released. I was hoping it would come out this year, but it will probably be next. I agree, but I was damn sure they were holding it for the anniversary two months ago but not to be. Me now thinks they have yet to buy the rest from another party. Strange business we are all involved in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xolo1974 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 12/2/2021 at 7:38 AM, Tainted cheese said: I agree, but I was damn sure they were holding it for the anniversary two months ago but not to be. Me now thinks they have yet to buy the rest from another party. Strange business we are all involved in! Think they already have it mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tainted cheese Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Xolo1974 said: Think they already have it mate. What makes you think that, as many times in the past they love releasing new material on anniversaries. Hope you're right though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodstudent Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 If there will be some kind of official release oneday in the future, would like it to be full Bath, Montreux or kinda How the East Was Won 71, hope it wont be chronological live album (cause 2003 DVD basically already was chronological live album) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walesdad Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Going by the likes of "Coda" and the bonus tracks on the reissues of the back catalogue, the studio recordings well would seem to be dry. Whatever does come out officially would have to be fresh live material. Would the surviving members leave that material alone before release, or would they feel the need to stitch in vocals from another concert or truncate a guitar solo here and there ? The best stuff is already out there in Zeppelinland and is free to trade, download or buy. Dive in head first and enjoy the actual live recordings of the greatest rock band that ever plugged in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnOsbourne Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Walesdad said: Going by the likes of "Coda" and the bonus tracks on the reissues of the back catalogue, the studio recordings well would seem to be dry. Whatever does come out officially would have to be fresh live material. Would the surviving members leave that material alone before release, or would they feel the need to stitch in vocals from another concert or truncate a guitar solo here and there ? The best stuff is already out there in Zeppelinland and is free to trade, download or buy. Dive in head first and enjoy the actual live recordings of the greatest rock band that ever plugged in. There's no real indication that Page (who would drive everything here) is willing to do even a little bit of work to put out any live archival stuff. So barring a leak of some kind, I doubt we'll ever see any kind of official release of anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xolo1974 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 On 12/13/2021 at 12:17 AM, JohnOsbourne said: There's no real indication that Page (who would drive everything here) is willing to do even a little bit of work to put out any live archival stuff. So barring a leak of some kind, I doubt we'll ever see any kind of official release of anything. I agree. There was speculation a few years ago that he was working on a Japan ‘71 release, but cracked it when the SBD bootleg emerged. All conjecture and hearsay mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Only Way To Fly Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Well, we do have that documentary coming to the masses at some point. I sure hope it's better than the Zeppelin stuff on Amazon Prime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rm2551 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 I hate to admint it, but yeah, there is no next. The only glimmer of hope is the doco sparks something up in Page to revisit the Japan release - or a proper Earls Court, but it looks like that's a 1-5% chance at best. I can only see further pro releases from the "estate" well in the future - and who knows how likely that is. More the shame considering other artists releasing stuff on the shelf that is quality enough to their loyal bases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jukkin Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 The problem with Jimmy is that he spends ages identifying even a second or two of music that needs to be flown in from another date. He is so.....I want to say meticulous but I think it's almost like an obsession with Jimmy to eliminate every possible flaw. The Garden Tapes articles demonstrate that very clearly. We have nothing live, officially released, beyond 1973. If Jimmy had trust in other people to take much of the work away from him we might see some official releases beyond 1973 (CD not video) but as long as Jimmy has total control I can't see anything new unless Jimmy starts to delegate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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